Author Topic: Concealed Carry Permit holder crime record (Read 1351 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2005, 02:33:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Keep trying to force me to turn in my handgun because you chose NOT to excerise your 2nd Amendment right, I think those of you who do this are some of the most pathetic, pond-scum eating, yellow-bellied, ball baby, pissants on the planet.

Karaya

Yea, but how do you really feel about them?

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2005, 08:41:42 AM »

mt... your wife is wrong.

nashwan.. the brady bunch is a proven dissinformation center. They give no sources for their data at all...

Now... I am all for not having armed criminals using guns in their work. Simply add penalties to using a gun in a crime... this is working wherever it is tried.

I say let every sane person of age and not currently incarcerated.... have a gun if he so desires. If a man is convicted of armed robbery then when he gets out... hand him his gun back.

Don't make it illegal to own or carry a gun.... make it illegal to use one carlessly or in the commission of a crime.

There is no getting around the fact that cities with very restrictive gun laws are crime ridden **** holes.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2005, 08:48:54 AM »

sox... there is more to it.... concealled carry is about self defense but.... to those who chose not to carry... it is about cutting down on crime.. those who don't carry reap the benifiet of the criminal not knowing who is carrying.

Simple really... say all the muggers in a city knew that it was a policemans convention there and that because of the number of cops all in plain clothes... it was a fact that at least 1 in ten of the people they seen on the street would be carrying concealed.. What would the mugging rate be? concealled carry would insure that at the most... 10% of the population was armed concealled (even israel is only 19%).

as for the brady contention that crime drops faster in areas without concealled carry.... what do they attribute this to? certainly not the permit holders commiting crimes? Then..... what?

lazs

Sox62 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:24:21 AM »

I see your point.

When the law was passed one of the conditions was any business could post a no weapons permitted sign at the front door.Fifth Third Bank was one of these businesses.

Guess which bank seems to have become a favorite for robberies?

JBA · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2005, 01:36:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Any data on Concealed Butterknife Carriers? They don't get as much training, you know.

African or European?

bustr · « **Reply #35 on:** February 07, 2005, 02:44:00 PM »

I had previous neighbor who volunteered for every left wing political movement they could in our area in california and Sacramento. They did their share of unpaid work for anti-gun measures.

There were several break-ins in our area. My neighbor and my girlfreind were discussing them one day and my neighbor turned to me and said she was glad I lived next door with my gun collection. And how secure it made her and her boyfreind feel in the light of the recent break-ins. The only way she knew I had any firearms was watching me load unmarked cases into my truck on sunday mornings going to the range. I never tell my neighbors much about my personal life.

Since she and her boyfreind had spoken in depth to myself and my girlfreind about passifisim and it's merits, along with the virtues of dialing 911, and their political activities, it left me with mixed feelings. For one, if I were not home and my girlfreind were being assaulted, they would gladly dial 911 and wait for the police. Being pacifists they would not charge in to aid her. Secondly, she was implying I would place my life in jepordy for her and her boyfreind while they would not for me based on their beleifs by refrencing guessed knowlege of my gun ownership.

My girlfreind has access in the home to my collection, thats not a problem. But I told her later if an emergency happens with our neighbors, call 911. They would do the same for us................

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:34:26 PM »

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I think a little of why the framers of the US Constitution guaranteed the Right to Bear arms was because we wanted to make sure we weren't left helpless to the whim of the government.

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This is the EXACT reason why we have our firearms protected. It says right in the Declaration of Independence that Americans must always have the right to revolt if the government starts ****ing up.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #37 on:** February 07, 2005, 08:04:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad

Generally the anti's appeal to ridicule or outright lying because the facts destroy their arguments. Like Lazs contention that Concealed Carry laws, once passed, are almost always followed by a drop in gun crime. It's obviously not that former criminals get a CC permit and then decide to no longer use a gun in their crimes. Nope. It's that criminals don't know who's packing and take their business elsewhere.

Since you mention that... I recall reading an article in of the gun mags 10-12 years ago where someone was interviewing a gang member who was in juvy hall. One of the questions was who they [the gang] picked for targets, and the answer was tourists, because they [the gang members] knew the tourists weren't packing.

As for carrying, my 1911 was secure in its holster, but according to the timers at the range where I practiced I could still clear the holster and hit center mass at 15yd in 1.4

lazs2 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2005, 08:33:02 AM »

bustr.. that is allways the case. Most people are incapable of action.. they justify it in many ways. They depend on those individuals that are not afraid of action... that is why they put so much faith in the 911 and government. they soothe their concience... The way you feel is also echoed by the majority of the police who don't understand why people don't arm themselves for their own defense.

There may be a few true pacifists who are sincere in their belief but most are just cowards who want others to do the dirty work for em. They are also the first to scream for blood when it is them or theirs that are brutalized.

A true pacifist would not allow you to intervene and hurt their assailant. Your neighbors are simply cowards. I would probly mention that fact to them... I have done so to people in the past.

lazs

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2005, 04:54:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
I think a little of why the framers of the US Constitution guaranteed the Right to Bear arms was because we wanted to make sure we weren't left helpless to the whim of the government.

This is one of the things they were escaping in emigrating from England to the USA.

You keep your laws, we will keep ours.

Look into the history of Scotland, see what the Kings of England tought about the citizens of Scotland being allowed access to weapons.

dago

People like to argue "intent" becuase the men who wrote the Constitution are all dead and cant testify to their true intent. It must be inferred, in many cases. However, I think on this subject they were pretty clear.

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution

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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Pretty straightforward stuff. If you have a problem with the direction of their thoughts, a man need only look to another official part of our history.

The Declaration of Independence

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.........That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.........

The Government should never control the People. The People should control the Government. To do otherwise, to allow our freedoms and our liberties to be taken away, is just plain lazy and a waste of the effort and blood shed by patriots of every generation to maintain them.

midnight Target · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:30:15 PM »

She's sorry lazs.

Unfortunately I'm not though. Still a bunch of woo hoo chest pounding dick measuring pro gun hooey with nobody to argue against. Ceptin' maybe a feriner or 2.

Guns are good.. we get it.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2005, 11:53:23 PM »

OK, enough BS.
Who here has had theirself or their family threatened and did the ole "Golly gee " routine and dropped the soap and bent over? Any takers to say they were too limp wristed when it came down to it?
Who`s been shot at? Did ya return fire or roll over and play dead?
If you bend over you allready know what your gonna get. It shouldn`t come as any big surprise. As Laz said the faux pacifists are always expecting someone to do the dirty work and protect them.
Any true pacifists here? I mean your wife, girlfriend, etc getting raped and you going to stand back and say " Oh me Oh my . " and not do nothing.
How many here is talking **** and how many have Been There?
You been shot at? ( I`m talking domesticaly, here at home)
Did ya roll over and grab the soap?
If you are truly nonviiolent and a pacisfist you should admit you did. I`d bet there are no takers on this. If there is a taker I`d like to be the first one to say you are a true pansy.
I`d say if you have never been in one of these situations, and you are posting here, then you are a puff of smoke in the wind. In other words , you are fake.
Been there, done that! Fug em! You come for me and mine you`d better be better at it than I am. It aint happened yet.
Screw the arm chair Knitters and the paper punchers. I want to hear from the folks that`s been there when it actualy came down.
One of the most intense times, and truthfully, one of the most alive times I ever had in my life is when some pansy bellybutton was shooting at my house with 4 little girls inside. I went outside and spread my arms and told the no shootin l`il salamanders they`d better get it done or next came my time. They didn`t and I did.

Wolfala · « **Reply #42 on:** February 09, 2005, 12:31:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
No, but I am busy researching concealed cricket bat permits and the effects on crime in the UK.

dago

Dago...

You could rob a market with a soccer ball - hell a Spalding would be the drug of choice. Why bother with a batt? The ball is atleast not that suspicious.

Wolf

Pongo · « **Reply #43 on:** February 09, 2005, 01:46:14 AM »

Jackel. you live in a scary scary place. Im glad your well armed.
Only gun fire I have seen arround here was an american sail boat owner cruising along the shore shooting his hand gun in the air to show he was free.
honestly. The only gunfire I have ever heard near my house. I guess I should have shot the idiot.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 09, 2005, 07:48:12 AM »

I`ve lived in a few different places.
I used to have a house full of guns ranging from small handguns to a custom built benchrest rifle. I now have a sum total of two. My semi-auto handgun for my house gun and a British made side by side with curly cue hammers and damscus twist barrels. It belonged to my grandfather and his father before him. I wouldn`t shoot it on a bet, but it is a favorite possesion of mine.
Was this "American" sail boat guy wearing Dockers? Reason I ask is it seems you must have been pretty close to get those details.