Author Topic: Discussion: Bush's budget (Read 1228 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:57:23 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
Here's what the President of the VFW had to say:
VFW Terms President's VA Budget Proposal Harmful to Veterans
VFW Appeals to Congress for Relief

How do you classify spending on veteran's health benefits, Martlet? Wasteful program, welfare or government sinkhole?

I classify it a 500 billion dollar INCREASE. I have absolutely zero complaint about MY benefits, thanks.

Gixer · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2005, 12:25:58 AM »

I thought the cut proposals were pretty hilarous compared to the billions being spent in Iraq which was of course left out of the budget. LOL

~~...-Gixer~~

NUKE · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2005, 12:34:51 AM »

Gixer, the US is at war......we are going to fund it.

Silat · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:17:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
The Democrats answer to any budget crisis is to raise taxes. The only cuts they will ever support is defense and homeland security.

Did anyone see the Joker (Nancy Pelosi) on "this week" with George Stephanopoulos? She was asked what the dems counter to Bush's SS plan was. She didn't even try to answer the question. The pattern is consistent, scream blue bloody murder at anything and everything GWB proposes and counter with nothing.

Maybe I missed it but, didnt GB just give us a vague idea with no real plan?

oboe · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:34:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
I classify it a 500 billion dollar INCREASE. I have absolutely zero complaint about MY benefits, thanks.

Well, it's 500 million, not 500 billion. But I know what you meant. I take it you are a veteran, and disagree with the President of the VFW on the sufficiency of the funding. Its good that you are satisfied with your benefits. What about your fellow servicemen, who according to VFW Pres. Banas are "...waiting by the thousands for six months or more for basic health care appointments with VA"? Are you satisfied with their benefits? To me its seems a helluva way to treat people who spilled their blood and broke their bodies in the service of this nation.

Here's a link to the story: http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=1576

And whether we ever see eye to eye on this or not, Martlet, let me thank you for your service.

Gixer · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:50:21 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Gixer, the US is at war......we are going to fund it.

No doubt but at Bush's expendature rate how many geberations is it going to take to pay for it?

~~...-Gixer~~

bunch · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:58:53 AM »

There should be some money for me in the budget. I dont know why there never is.
It's a totaly fluffied up system.
I should pay less taxes also

JB88 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:04:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
As someone who works at a school I can see why he plans to cut some programs.

Just because the money goes to a school doesn't mean it's being used correctly.

I see so much wasted money on Inclusion and Fine Arts.... etc etc. (And no I don't mean get rid of all of them but trim the waste.)

as a graduate of the fine arts i would like to personally invite you to take a long walk off a short pier.

there is nothing like someone claiming that arts programs are sucking up all of the money when every program that i have ever been affiliated with has been starving for funds because some short sighted idiot cant see the worth of a little culture here and there.

fact. most arts programs have a meager percentage of the funding that other programs have.

last time you watched a good film you were watching the work of a former arts student of film, illustration, animation or sculptural arts.

i can never quite understand how one cant see the value of arts education when they see a well designed interior a good book or hear a beautiful song must think that these things grow on trees or just happen to be.

what waste? ive never seen an arts program that has all of the new equiptment that a science or an engineering dept does. not that we need much, but last time i checked most of the equiptment that is any given art dept was donated and ancient because they couldnt get the funding.

wow.

ring ring. pick up the clue phone.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #23 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:07:20 AM »

Hit a little tender spot did he?

JB88 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:08:29 AM »

its just a dumb arguement holden. look up the percentages of funding. im sure you will quickly see how silly that arguement is.

and im not even one to support the NEA.

(no need to have the government looking into my studio thanks...and i really dont want the handout...unlike some porkfat out there...hey we need to do a study on the migratory patterns of the eastern bimoserous bird and archive its mating habits...um ya...whatever.)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #25 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:20:03 AM »

If your schools are anything like Oregon's, much of the cost of any class has nothing to do with the class.

If they cut overhead (read Administration) they could pick up alot of the music and arts programs, pay for better equipment for the science classes and probably bring back many of the extra-curriculars.

The highest paid people in schools don't teach. That should change.

JB88 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:24:05 AM »

maybe so, from what i know that is a true observation.

but you seem to presume that cultural arts are something that can be added if money is saved.

these things are not extracurricular.

they are as vital to any thriving society as any other subjects... and i dont consider them to be excess or anything less than core.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #27 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:31:28 AM »

No offence, but they are second tier after the primary tier, the three R's.

A school budget that is flush with funds can afford many things past those three R's, like semi-vital things like science, arts, shop, etc.

Arts is certainly a driving force in humanity. Even barely surviving cavemen found time for the arts.

JB88 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:42:56 AM »

i wont argue that with you.

obviously there are some basics that come first. (a kid who cant read isnt going to appreciate much anyway)

i am just suggesting the mere notion that the arts are sucking up any real significant portion of any given budget is just plain ludicrous.

but hey, im all for full funding for the majorettes.

and oh what i couldnt make with 80 billion dollars. cecile b wouldnt have a thing on that kind of production eh? lol.

oboe · « **Reply #29 on:** February 08, 2005, 07:17:04 AM »

jb88-

If the 80 billion dollars you refer to is the latest request for funding of Bush's war in Iraq, it's not in his budget. After all is said and done with the budget, that 80 billion gets tacked on as 'supplemental' spending...