Author Topic: Believe or die? (Read 1213 times)

Octavius · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2005, 10:52:51 PM »

Don't hold back nuke. I love you too!

Have anything relevant to add?

NUKE · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2005, 10:56:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
Don't hold back nuke. I love you too!

Have anything relevant to add?

yes.

You are relativly stupid compaired to 95% of everyone else who posts here.

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2005, 10:57:24 PM »

Ya know... In winter, there's less daylight, and that can really wreak havoc on one's emotional stability.

Octavius · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2005, 10:58:20 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
yes.

You are relativly stupid compaired to 95% of everyone else who posts here.

Did I injure your fragile mind in some far away thread? =]

relatively*
compared*

Zulu7 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2005, 02:04:06 AM »

Aren't the Japanese Buddists? They had a few suicide bombers of their own I think!

Basicaly religion is nowt but an excuse for war mongering. Christian Bush against the Muslim world and visa versa.

Politics an excuse for war mongering too. Communism versus Capitalism versus Facism etc.

MMMM best stay in bed and not get involved at all.

SaburoS · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2005, 05:47:32 AM »

Methinks "Tim" has never been a muslim but a right wing fanatic wacko.

Rolex · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2005, 07:28:23 AM »

Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.

Most Japanese claim to be Buddhist or nonreligious, followed by Shinto, but "Japanese Buddhism" is not Buddhism - it is a strange, twisted, commercialized version.

I won't get into it all since this is a 100-words-or-less forum, but an example would be the Japanese version claiming the need for the deceased to be given a different name, contrary to the teachings of Buddhism.

The more money the family gives to the local monk, the 'better' name the monk will give to the deceased. About $4,000 will get you a pretty good name.

Actually, Japan is about as nonreligious a nation as there is in the world. Nobody asks, nobody cares, nobody talks about it, nobody thinks about it, nobody says theirs is better then yours... except foreigners.

Kamikaze didn't do it to follow a religious belief. Most were scared kids who didn't want to die, but were ordered to do it. Group pressure has always been a powerful (and many times evil) reason for actions. Just look at the horde on squad nights.

SaburoS · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2005, 01:18:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.

Most Japanese claim to be Buddhist or nonreligious, followed by Shinto, but "Japanese Buddhism" is not Buddhism - it is a strange, twisted, commercialized version.

I won't get into it all since this is a 100-words-or-less forum, but an example would be the Japanese version claiming the need for the deceased to be given a different name, contrary to the teachings of Buddhism.

The more money the family gives to the local monk, the 'better' name the monk will give to the deceased. About $4,000 will get you a pretty good name.

Actually, Japan is about as nonreligious a nation as there is in the world. Nobody asks, nobody cares, nobody talks about it, nobody thinks about it, nobody says theirs is better then yours... except foreigners.

Kamikaze didn't do it to follow a religious belief. Most were scared kids who didn't want to die, but were ordered to do it. Group pressure has always been a powerful (and many times evil) reason for actions. Just look at the horde on squad nights.

Bingo, Absolutely right on the mark!

Zulu7 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2005, 01:22:53 PM »

So Kamikaze pilots were scared kids. I wonder if there are any scared Palistinian kids? Maybe they are not all as fundamentaly brainwashed as our western media makes out. Or then again maybe they are just desperate! Living in ghettos can't be too nice!!!!

Lizard3 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2005, 03:02:25 PM »

That wahabi stuff is good when mixed with soy sauce! MMMmmmm!

Vulcan · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2005, 03:15:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.

Yes it is:

Religion: A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

Rolex · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2005, 04:50:59 PM »

I suppose it depends on the definition of religion, Vulcan. Not all dictionaries or scholars (including religious scholars) agree on that definition. Many use the 'scripture' test, or the 'higher being/God/gods' test - neither of which Buddhism passes. Buddhists call their belief a philosophy, not a religion.

Others may define it as a religion because they don't know what it is, or may even have an agenda to include all those people into the 'religious' column. Some Buddhists will simply say that the are Buddhists when asked or surveyed of their religion because the alternative is to be labeled a heathen, Godless animal.

Anyway, this is sidetracking the topic and I'm not a Buddhist or evangelist for any religion or philosophy. Just some food for thought...

Vulcan · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2005, 06:54:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I suppose it depends on the definition of religion, Vulcan. Not all dictionaries or scholars (including religious scholars) agree on that definition. Many use the 'scripture' test, or the 'higher being/God/gods' test - neither of which Buddhism passes. Buddhists call their belief a philosophy, not a religion.

Others may define it as a religion because they don't know what it is, or may even have an agenda to include all those people into the 'religious' column. Some Buddhists will simply say that the are Buddhists when asked or surveyed of their religion because the alternative is to be labeled a heathen, Godless animal.

Anyway, this is sidetracking the topic and I'm not a Buddhist or evangelist for any religion or philosophy. Just some food for thought...

Errmm, well given Buddhism's goal is to an enlightened or higher being, that to me is a religion. Also Buddhists worship Buddha as much as Christians worship Christ.

Scholars - shmolars - I bet the "scholars" that say Buddhism isn't a religion have never set foot in a Wat.

Octavius · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2005, 07:01:12 PM »

I was under the impression buddhists concerned themselves only with themselves... unity, etc. I have never heard of buddhists congregating for worship of the buddha. If that exists, then I think they missed the mark.

"Heal me buddha!"

I am not going to argue what buddhism "really is," because that goes against my stance on keeping spirituality private and personal. All statements are relative.

Vulcan · « **Reply #29 on:** February 10, 2005, 07:07:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
I was under the impression buddhists concerned themselves only with themselves... unity, etc. I have never heard of buddhists congregating for worship of the buddha. If that exists, then I think they missed the mark.

"Heal me buddha!"

I am not going to argue what buddhism "really is," because that goes against my stance on keeping spirituality private and personal. All statements are relative.

Sorry Oct then your impression is wrong. Buddhists regularly go to their Wat to pray to Buddha, give offerings to both Buddha and the monks, and listen to prayers (I think thats what you'd call them) recited by the monks.

Generally speaking however, they don't pray for the same things, its mostly guidance, and they're not into the miracle stuff you find in Christianity (the average Buddhist thinks the Christians are a little kooky with the walking on water and water to wine stuff). The attendence of prayers at the Wat is more concerned at being a good person and showing your support of the monks, as well as a community meeting place.