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Offline JB88

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« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2005, 01:34:13 AM »
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« Reply #151 on: February 11, 2005, 01:35:27 AM »
I'm not sure if Wal-Mart would hire them in any numbers and thus deviate from their strategy of targeting the young and old.

As for the bigger picture of what generally happends to workers of businesses displasced by the big box stores I'm not really sure as I havent studied it yet.

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« Reply #152 on: February 11, 2005, 01:37:18 AM »
studmuffins, less talking about calculus and more flames pls.  WTF?

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« Reply #153 on: February 11, 2005, 01:39:04 AM »
but what about playboy's girls of wal-mart?

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« Reply #154 on: February 11, 2005, 01:43:31 AM »
I'd hit that.

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« Reply #155 on: February 11, 2005, 07:33:47 AM »
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Smart? Sure. Good for the country? I don't think so.

Besides, unlike some, I think the Waltons have enough bucks and I don't need to be played for a sucker and subsidize them.


This is what keeps me awake at night.   We have an economic system in place where the main players are encouraged to do things that are detrimental to the health of our nation.    It goes beyond Walmart's practices - it's also Black and Decker and hundreds of other manufacturers closing plants and moving to China, Taiwan, Mexico.    It's Nike in the Phillippines.

I agree with Urchin's first viewpoint - its inherently wrong and unethical to have a society where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.    Now, try to hold that position and not be called a Socialist or Communist.     Yet I have to think the founding fathers would agree with it as well.

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« Reply #156 on: February 11, 2005, 07:53:53 AM »
The scandinavian model offers uniform wealth for everyone.

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« Reply #157 on: February 11, 2005, 08:11:09 AM »
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The scandinavian model offers uniform wealth for everyone.


Is that literally true?    All people all uniformly wealthy?   The highest officials, doctors, lawyers - all are equally as wealthy as say, garbage men or, IKEA clerks?

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« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2005, 08:44:34 AM »
sheesh... You guys ever lived in a small town with mom and pop stores or just seem em in movies?   Everything is twice as much as it needs to be and the service is grudgingly handed out by people who think being rude is "colorful"...  they pay their employees less than is legal if they think they can get away with it and are unsafe and crooked with no benifiets for anyone except family members.

When a Wall mart comes in it opens up opportunities for the young and the unemployable to get a decent job and be treated like humans...  IT IS AN ENTRY LEVEL JOB  you can't even stay there and make entry level pay (unlike the aformentioned mom and pop store)  they give you raises if you even show a pulse.

If you want to get ahead you use your time there to learn or further your education... you get ahead there or use it as a stepping stone and a valuable experiance or.... you realize that you are much more happy with less so long as you don't have to put out any effort  and never really go anywhere.

The union comes and the salaries go up and employee numbers go dwon and the opportunity to get in at an entry level job decrease.   Prices go up for everyone including those least able to pay em.

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« Reply #159 on: February 11, 2005, 08:55:47 AM »
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Yup. Scrimp and save, work two jobs PLUS hustle on the side, and you, too can achieve the American Dream. :rolleyes:

Thank you for making my argument for the needs of organized labor.

OTOH I admire your drive and willingness to do it yourself, and wish you the best of success.


Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate that. I can see where our opinions on the "American Dream" differ though. I look around my day job right now, and I see all these people "living it". They're doing their 9 to 5 (well.. 8 to 6), taking care of their families, and watching sports/bbq'ing on the weekends. Their financial problems stem from credit card misuse (a whole different can of worms.. but teaching responsibility isn't easy). I've never said "I don't get paid on that" and refused to do something, which my co-workers do several times a day. I don't want to be at the same desk for 20 years like these guys. I'm not going for "The American Dream" in my mind, I'm going for "Rich People's Reality".

btw, what kind of dancing career did you turn down?

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« Reply #160 on: February 11, 2005, 11:04:19 AM »
Wallmart is one of the best things to ever happen to China.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/

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« Reply #161 on: February 11, 2005, 04:21:43 PM »
I recommend Suave's link to anybody with broadband.   Pretty disturbing and enlightening.

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« Reply #162 on: February 11, 2005, 04:26:47 PM »
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This is what keeps me awake at night.   We have an economic system in place where the main players are encouraged to do things that are detrimental to the health of our nation.    It goes beyond Walmart's practices - it's also Black and Decker and hundreds of other manufacturers closing plants and moving to China, Taiwan, Mexico.    It's Nike in the Phillippines.

I agree with Urchin's first viewpoint - its inherently wrong and unethical to have a society where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.    Now, try to hold that position and not be called a Socialist or Communist.     Yet I have to think the founding fathers would agree with it as well.


i do too.

were i to eliminate something as a way to excercise total equality in capital, i would do away with inheritance.  

reason tells me that this is where the seperation really happens.  

but thats not happening anytime soon and it would be a logistical nightmare.

(not to mention that i wouldnt get squat!  lol)

personally...i think that it will become an issue this century.
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« Reply #163 on: February 11, 2005, 05:03:09 PM »
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Is that literally true? All people all uniformly wealthy? The highest officials, doctors, lawyers - all are equally as wealthy as say, garbage men or, IKEA clerks?



It's not literally true naturally (it's not communism even though even there it wasn't true).

But the differences between income are probably one of the lowest in the world and there aren't beggars on the streets. 80% of the population enjoys more or less middle class life. Then there are extremes but nothing like in the US. At least not that I know of.

I saw a study somewhere, can't remember where anymore.

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« Reply #164 on: February 11, 2005, 06:16:04 PM »
Scandinavian style socialism works in small geographic and homogenius population groups who are generaly willing to go along with it. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark each is about the size of a medium to small state in the United States. Your populations are smaller than California's. California can only force semi socialism by having it's Liberal power base in the 2 major coastal cities. Inland california is moderate to conservitive mostly capitolistic.

The economy of the United States is a function of 48 continental contiguos geographic areas with about 240millin people. The USSR tried socialism at the point of a gun with a larger land mass and slightly larger non homogenious population. They went broke after 70 years. Funny semi socialist california almost went broke recently.

Capitolism is not perfict and prone to abuse as is socialism. Capitolism has a redeaming factor. You can change it because profit is dynamic and changeable. If you don't like how WalMart delivers its goods and services, come up with a better more prophitable way to do the same thing. Yes and take care of the masses if you can. And the masses will beat a path to your door to give you profit.

Biggest problem with unions and socialism is who pays for them? Someone always has to bust their arse to pay for those who can't. Unions drive up the price of goods beyond their real worth to pay the $30per hr salary to a tire changer who other wise could never earn that amount on his own merit. The Union becomes the Guido and Nunzio knee breaker club in the shadows. It makes the cost of living for everyone become inflated to meet the minimum Union salary rates. Socialism winds up making the hi achivers slaves to paying the tax rates that governemnt then gives to the under achivers. No incentive to be all you can possibly be in life. Atlas shrugged and quit holding up the world.

Capitolism allows anyone if they want to, to work as hard as they want and keep a higher amount of their efforts. But the cost is simple, you have to get off your sorry arse and actually do it. And this is not fantasy or whatever smug intelectual word gaming many of you will play on it. I came to california 20 years ago, during that time I made mistakes, lost everything and became homeless. I got tired of eating garbage and filth. I worked out of it and raised myself up to working for the 3rd largest bank in the United States. I don't like starving, being sick, preyed upon by criminals or being destitute. Capitolism works if you want to work your arse off and stop whineing about social inequalities.
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