So now it's official

[bustr]

Furious,

A better way to look at how our EU members think of us is to go back to our last election. There was a mail blitz effort from England to I think a town or county in Ohio. The addresses of the locals were aquired and circulated by a English based newspaper so that its readers could write the American voters and attempt to have a voice in our Presidential electoral process. They were concerned that the President of the United States is the most powerful man on the planet and such even they are not immune to his mistakes. It being the 21st century and such a small planet.

I even read remarks from non-English EU citizens saying in effect that since the President of the United States "is" so powerful that they should be able to vote in our election for President. They felt helpless in the face of what his mistakes could cause.

I suspect President Bush would not be furballs or zulu's vote for PM of Great Britan. Or their vote for the most powerful man on earth. Remember, to them our nuc arsenal is a real and prevelent threat to the world. We do have the biggest stick, and who has his finger on the trigger does frighten them. Unlike Kerry, Bush doesnt discource the nuances adfinitum, he doesnt comprimise and he places the Security of the United States before the feelings of the world community.

So Furious, how would you respond in their position? Taking pot shots is about all they have.

[lasersailor184]

Usually I'm all for bashing Europeans...


But after 9/11 almost every country helped us in Afghanistan.  While they didn't have the balls to help in Iraq, it's still admirable.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

You guys need to listen more to your freinds before they become your enemies.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

You guys need to listen more to your freinds before they become your enemies.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

You guys need to listen more to your freinds before they become your enemies.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

[Zulu7]

Bustr fair point and Furball is correct. this BBs is dominated by Conservative American opinion. And it would do that nation no harm to listen with a more open mind to what the rest of the world says.

I'm sorry but I honestly believe that many US citizens are very badly informed about what the rest of the world thinks. Hence the suprise of many that America was even hated by some, when the awfull events of 9/11 unfolded.

The tragedy is that instead of examining their position in the world and seeking to build bridges and break down hatred, it seems that the US has used those events to become more extreme , right wing and aggressive. You guys are not making freinds out here and as 9/11 showed that may not be such a bright move.

[lada]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Usually I'm all for bashing Europeans...


But after 9/11 almost every country helped us in Afghanistan.  While they didn't have the balls to help in Iraq, it's still admirable.

ehmmm let me say, that some american people dont have quite correct informations.

Some countries refused to send troops to iraq, coz it were BS. But most of them sent.: Hospitals, Training personal etc.....

May be you could dig and check who provided anti-chemical measuring/defense to civilist in kuwait during the invasion, while scuds hit kuwait.


never mind, we already know that most of you are not bad boys, you are just .. missinformed... thats all.

[WhiteHawk]

I certainly hope that N korea hasnt succeeded in smuggling its Nukes out of thier country and into another country, especially this one.  that could get ugly if we attack them.  I read a Report (probably just an ugly rumor, but still, something to think about) that they are establishing drug smuggling routes into the US cities for no other reason than to do this inn case they are attacked.

[bustr]

The world as it is will not go away with building bridges. It is at this crossroads. Groups of idologicaly differing people have or will have nuclular wheapons sooner or later. Unlike Russia, China, Isriel, India and Europe who have much to preserve, there is a real and present danger that one of these ideological groups will by design or accident set off at the minimum one nuke. I did not include Pakistan because it is in danger of internal instability by non-western freindly fundimentalists. The current leader got there by a coup.

Have any of you thought about, where do you want this nuke to go off? North Korea has increased nervousness in many around the world recently. It is speculated North Korea might have a missle that could hit Alaska or even Washington State. So Zulu would be rid of a few "Gun Strokin Rednecks" like me. Cool we are the U.S. whom many are angry at for not listening to them on how to reason with Osama and those like him. But then North Korea just wants food to feed its masses and we have so much.

Then there was a rumor about 20 satchel size Russian devices not accounted for. One would turn the center of Washington D.C. into Hiroshima, and slowly kill thousands for 10-20 years in near by states. You guys want one to go off there? That would kill my parents. Or maybe they could finish the job in New York and pick up a few 100,000 bonus points in New England. I live near Silicon Valley. One device would severly hurt the American tech sector by taking out a whole generation of the worlds best and brightest. And then this "Gun Strokin Redneck" would be out of Zulu's hair for real.

The United States is the biggest and most hated kid on the block. The bad guys are going to shoot at us. So guys yo might as well take up a lottery, get in line and tell me, where do you want us shot first. Because its after the fact, the cows are out, and snipeing at us is nothing compaired to what they are going to do.

[Zulu7]

Nope I do not wish that on anyone but I do believe that the US needs to change its current foreign policy strategy. i'm not saying force is always wrong just that at the mo it seems the list of US enemies grows and grows and I wonder when you will stop looking for more enemies and consider more closely the council of your freinds!

[RedTop]

Zulu....

I'm wondering , since you seem to think you know the U.S.'s policy , what exactly should we do in the case of N.K.?

[Zulu7]

Don't upset them. They have Nukes



getting too late here for serious debate.

[RedTop]

ok