Originally posted by Vulcan
Read the above conversation. I was making a point. The gun-lunies seem to want their own laws when it applies to guns, but when it applies to other stuff (like drunk driving) they're quite happy for the government/police to decide whats wrong/right.
Basically it has highlighted the one eyed hypocracy of people like wrag, lazs was smart enough to avoid the hook though 
Making a point? SORRY but IMHO that dog don't hunt! Further I consider the comparison to be way off base! One eyed hypocracy? Hmmmm... think we are dealing with a HUGH societal difference here. And your post SEEMS to indicate you're perhaps not considering these issue from the same location within civilization as I am. The following is why I say this.
In courts the JURY decides guilt. The JURY is made up of WE THE PEOPLE.
Granted the politcians have come up with some pretty mean laws regarding drunk driving but they did so at the behest of WE THE PEOPLE. They actually listened for a change. True some went overboard. Some always do
Maverick made the point very well IMHO.
Even so, American society was orginally based on each individual having freedom and liberty with the understanding they must accept the responsiblity for their own actions, words, or deeds. Sadly this is becoming less the case in our society.
"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it" ~~ George Bernard Shaw
What the above quote say to me is we, all of us, have to think ourselves through our lives. Yes we feel things and have emotions but we better think about what we do or say BEFORE we do or say it. We must each of us consider the affect of our actions, words, and deeds on all others around us. Why? Because we could very easily find ourselves facing legal action, or physical combat, or even death if we don't. We can go only so far with our freedoms, go too far, become too self important, then we better be ready for the REACTIONS of others. Then, after we have considered these things, proceed, if we truely believe it is the best or even only course to take. This holds true if one is intent upon the robbery of another or defending their home against invasion against intruders. Sadly, all too often, those bent on robbery or other such violations of the rights and freedoms of others seem to not understand this or just don't care. IMHO when they KNOW their intended victom is armed and will use that weapon they seek out someone that isn't or they do not go through with their intended crime.
So you wanna drink and drive? Be my guest! From my viewpoint YOU HAVE THAT FREEDOM. But YOU really should be prepared for what can and often does result! Cause if I''m on that jury you're in BIG trouble! I would hold you to your words typed above SIR. I consider those words typed by you (Vulcan) to be selfish, selfcentered, and lacking in consideration for others. Even if it was only typed to make a point.
I'm inclined to believe my earlier posts in this thread have not been read, or not read very closely. I've noticed this same thing with many of my post in other threads most often where guns are concerned.
Yes I use quotes. Why? Because very often what I want to point out or say has often been said by someone else in a far better manner then I can or could say it.
