Author Topic: Kev. 80th FS P38 L info (Read 2135 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:21:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Had the same thing, found a decal sheet of 'Miss Cheri", no wing stripes but had a single boom stripe?
In fact it suggests it was common for the 80th to have the noseart on both sides also?

Emailed stripes and full bmp file for montage.

http://www.meteorprod.com/

search for p38

Let me know when you get eyecandy off my site so I can remove it.

All photos of 80th FS P38Ls from that time frame have the wing ID stripes. It was squadron wide.

The decal guys are wrong. I'll go with all the images of the Ls with the bands They carried them from January 45 on.

Oboe. I think that decal link for Jandina IV is more accurate. Any photos of headhunter aircraft from the J era are similar to that. There don't seem to be any full shots of Jandina IV that I can find, but Cy Homer's bird, Ken Ladds bird and Corky Smith's bird had similar markiings and DID NOT have the green wing tips. As those were the big guns I'd believe that Jay Robbins 38J was also the same.

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:25:59 PM »

Yuo woudln't happen to have one showing the wing stripes location more accurately?
I take it you mean I should remove the boom stripes from the 'L'?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:46:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yuo woudln't happen to have one showing the wing stripes location more accurately?
I take it you mean I should remove the boom stripes from the 'L'?

I don't know about the boom stripe. That would mean it's at least a Flight Leaders A/C. I can't link a name to the plane though.

Here are two shots showing the wing stripe. The more I lookat it, the darker it looks. I can't nail down what color though, either dark green or black with a white outer stripe.

The more I look at it, the more I think it's a black stripe with white outline same color as the squadron letters.

Seems like the white stripe is wider too.

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:50:07 PM »

Yup does look darker.
Lol this could go on for ages, as we can't nail down a pilot boom stripes aren't necessarily incorrect.
As for the wing stripes I'm open to suggestions, at least it looks like I got the location just about spot on though

Guppy35 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:51:25 PM »

Just by comparing to the squadron letter, I'm 99% sure the wing stripe is black with white outline.

It's definately not the green of the rudder tips or props.

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:59:30 PM »

I think so too -
If you hold on a min will change it and post a pic.
I've also doubled the width of the upper white line on the tails.

Kev367th · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2005, 12:06:01 AM »

OK changes -
1) Doubled upper tail white stripe
2) Changed wing mian stripe to black
3) Doubled wing main stripe edging white

Just gotta figure out the boom stripes (your choice, your the expert) and its ready to go.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2005, 12:17:16 AM »

Leave the boom stripe. It looks great

Thanks for doing that one Kev.

Gonna have to tweak my G "Dottie from Brooklyn" again. I did use the green color you and Oboe went with on it.

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2005, 12:27:08 AM »

Dan -
Check further up and grab 'eyecandy' from my hosted site, it's great for doing general overall weathering, I'll leave it on till the morning.

Was a pleasure, thanks for all your profiles.

Oboe has a copy of my full bmp file and the 80th only layer, he's gonna grab the boom stripes off it and match the tail stripes. That way we have two different models from 2 periods but with some common elements that should tie them together.
If you need it also, it's further up ^^^^^.

Oboe - gonna post it to ah-skins, grab the bmp file from there for the montage

oboe · « **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2005, 07:30:01 AM »

Here are some photos from an 80th FS website:

Coupla things - would you guys agree I should change Jandina's antiglare panels to dk Olive Drab, from the current black?

Per the decal sheet, remove 1 boom ID band, making 2 not 3, and remove the green wingtips.

I should not add the black midwing stripes, as Jandina IV is a 'J' and I'm depicting here in 1944, not '45.

Anything else?

oboe · « **Reply #25 on:** February 14, 2005, 08:13:05 AM »

Any chance at all both schemes could be correct? Or is it not uncommon for metal model makers to take some license with the schemes?

I've about exhausted all the web searches I can looking for images of her.

Kev367th · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2005, 08:46:43 AM »

Anti-glare look black to me in the pics.
I would go with the 2 tail bands.
No wing bands.
Not sure bout the wingtips though.

Of course Dan is the expert on these things

Did you get my message about the tail stripes?
The add a 2 pixel white band on top of the existing upper white band only. This should make it 4 pixels wide in total.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 14, 2005, 12:21:46 PM »

I can't find anything in any of the books or online showing a full shot of Jandina IV.

Based on photos of other Js with the 80th flown by the big guns like Ken Ladd, Cy Homer, Corky Smith etc that do have photos of the entire aircraft, I'd go with an Olive drab antiglare panal on the nose and wings.

The one photo from the 80th site seems to show it fairly clearly.

I'd skip the wing tip green and white. No evidence to support that anywhere. The mid wing ID strip didn't arrive until January of 45 and that was when they had L models so that wouldn't be there.

And I think I'd go with the two tail boom stripes like the decal sheet shows.

Just my suggestion though

Dan/Slack

oboe · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2005, 07:28:15 AM »

Sorry - lost the internet yesterday. I'll incorporate all the suggestions above. Thanks for you help!