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Offline Sikboy

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Why no P39s yet??
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2005, 08:22:29 PM »
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The Yak 9U has 2 MGs with a single 20mm.

The Yak 9T has 1 MG with a single 37mm.


True, but Tony Williams still gives the Yak-9T the edge in both Ammo power and gun power over the P-39.

One thing to remember, is that two of the .50s on the P-39 are syncronised, causing a reduction in their ROF. I would bet though, that the P-400, with a Hispano in the place of the M4 would probably be close to the Yak-9T. I would expect the M4 to be almost useless. Too slow firing and weak (due to HE ammo) to be effecting against GVs, too slow MV to be of much use against Aircraft. I guess you could shoot bombers with it if you got close enough.


Don't get me wrong, I actually want to see the P-39, since I'm an Early pac guy. I just don't think it will get much MA use. And of course I think that it would be vastly inferior to the Yak-9T in terms of Air combat, but then, that's to be expected considering the P-39 is 2 years older than the Yak-9T.

And again, in case anyone missed it: The M4 was junk. You could throw the round faster than the gun could fire it :)

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2005, 06:01:34 PM »
Another interesting quote:

"In New Guinea through 1942 and well into 1943, the chief U.S. opponent of the Ki-43 was the P-39, and the Ki-43 generally made short work of any P-39 it encountered (since all the P-39's plumbing was in the rear, and poorly protected, only a few well-placed rounds would finish it off).  The boys in the 8 and 35 FGs had a very tough time of it, and soon gave the Bell fighter the nickname "Fearless Fosdick."  They didn't think much of the P-39's fighting qualities at all.  Yet against another opponent on another front, the P-39 proved itself formidable--the Soviets apparently thought very highly of the P-39 and many of their aces flew it.

One key to why they thought so highly of it might be discovered in the flight tests the RAF carried out with a P-39C against an Me 109E at Duxford in mid-1941.  The Bell demonstrated clear superiority to the 109 in all but one category up to 15,000 ft.--the lower the altitude the greater the superiority.  (The exception was rate of climb, the advantage of the Bell held only briefly).  It was noted that when the 109 was planted on the tail of the P-39, the Bell was able to out-turn it to such an extent that it would be on the 109's tail in less than two 360s and there was nothing the 109 driver could do to shake it--he couldn't outrun it, outdive it or outturn it.

So if the Russians in their P-39s were getting in low-level dogfights with 109s, the superior maneuverability might have been very important--it might have been what kept them from getting those few deadly rounds in the cooling system that would put the Bell down."

From:
http://yarchive.net/mil/ki-43.html

If the P-39 could outmanouver a 109-E, it might be a heck of a ride in TOD as long as missions stay under 10K.

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Why no P39s yet??
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2005, 09:20:28 PM »
Those things are the UGLIEST planes ever.

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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2005, 11:01:27 PM »
au contraire ... the P-39 is the most beautiful WWII fighter.
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2005, 12:34:40 AM »
I would fly the P-39 and would like to see it in the game.
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« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2005, 11:00:57 PM »
Bring the Bell P-400!!

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2005, 05:23:32 AM »
Apparently, P-39s were used with great success at hights 3000-5000m while Yaks and Laggs were mainly used up to 3000k. According to various sources, P-39 was used to cover Pe-2 bombers while Yaks , Laggs and from 1943 - La5s were used to cover Il-2s.
BT- Pe-2 will be a nice addition to AH plain pool, here is a link (though in Russian)
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Offline Magoo

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Why no P39s yet??
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2005, 12:05:54 PM »
How many types of ammo did the 37MM cannon in the P39 have? Was it only HE?

What was the ammo load for the MGs?

How many and what types of bombs/rockets could it carry?

Did the armament vary from one model to the next?

As far as early war plane sets go, the P39 was faster than the P40 and more importantly the Zero.

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