Author Topic: Shawk how do you do it? (Read 3647 times)

Steve · « **Reply #45 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:12:42 AM »

Well, you ARE a cheesy F***ker.

Murdr · « **Reply #46 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:22:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Well, you ARE a cheesy F***ker.

Didnt respond to that ROE thread because.....I dont have any

mechanic · « **Reply #47 on:** February 17, 2005, 04:32:45 AM »

in my limited experience which now maybe comes to about 1.5 years in AH, i have only ever found SHawk to be chatty, witty and
generally a good laugh on channel200. He really is a nice guy and i couldnt say a bad word.

on the matter of how he plays, thats basically his choice right?
he flies maybe a little more akin to those we hope to replicate than most of us do-or-die furballers.

to me thats just boring, but obviously 'dogfighting' is boring to some, like Zazen, who prefers to sit in a osti improving his super 1k lead shot, or BnZ some pooor dweeb to death with no chance of being attacked himself.

thats just thier way of playing.

what about this mad man 'wonder'?? all he ever does is spawn camp and shoot 5" guns.

that must be sooo boring, but no, he enjoys it.......so let it be.

i reakon this trhead is testement to how fickle our race is by nature.

heavan forbid we could have left it for shawk to answer Med's questions and be done with it.

aaaa well.

PS: Steve's an A***hole!!!!!!

SkyWolf · « **Reply #48 on:** February 17, 2005, 07:04:44 AM »

I'm always confused. Isn't the idea to use a plane's particular strengths? I mean, WTF are you supposed to do in a P-47 if you don't BnZ (assuming bombs and rockets aren't your thing)? I haven't actually started playing AH yet due to a crap machine I'm in the process of replacing, but in the old days if you were a fighter P47 guy... it was pretty much BnZ or High Alt bomber defense/hunting...... both of which seem to label you a dweeb.

Woof

Zazen13 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 17, 2005, 07:05:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Well, we have somewhat different criteria for a "good flight" which is probably why I rarely see you. The only times I've ever seen you is when an area I thought looked promising when I took off turned out to be a wash, i.e. a red bar larger than the green bar, but by the time I got there the green guys overwhelmingly outnumbered the red guys.

To your credit, you are usually chasing someone around, albiet with plenty of help.

On the other hand, I've ended up winging with Shawk quite a few times where it ended up being just us against quite a few reds.

The only thing that leaves me somewhat less than overwhelmed regarding Shawk is he doesn't seem to try to reverse on a bad guy when he loses his initial advantage, he just hauls bellybutton outta there till the bad guy turns around. Granted, that is just my impression on the occasions where I've ended up fighting him. But that isn't exactly unusual in todays MA, so he is probably one of the better 'offensive' sticks flying around.

Generally speaking, I just go where the largest fight is. One of my biggest assets is SA, so the bigger the fight, the bigger my relative advantage. One thing I never do is vulch, so while I may be in an area with some friendlies, I also require a 'big room' in terms of enemies as well, anything less than a 5 kill mission is a partial failure for me no matter what plane I am in, so I require alot of red, especially since I do not vulch...Fly with me sometime Urchin I think you will be suprised at what I actually do as opposed to the popular myth of what I do.

Zazen

Howitzer · « **Reply #50 on:** February 17, 2005, 08:20:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
FX, good to see ya.

Howie, my source is reliable. Maybe it was a misunderstanding.
In fact, when I returned to the game and saw the list of old frineds on his squad roster, I was hoping for an invite but he didn't even acknowledge me in the MA, giving credence, perhaps, to what I'd heard. Not the end of the world, but disappointing nonetheless

Steve,

I've heard of this squad... all a bunch of n00bs anyway

beet1e · « **Reply #51 on:** February 17, 2005, 08:31:07 AM »

Hehe, I remember shawk coming after me in a grudge match a couple of years ago. He in a Dora, me in a G10. He kept B&Zing me and there was little I could do to get close to him as he was always able to zoom back up to his perch.

Finally his patience wore thin, and he began to take some chances. I blew his wing off, and as he floated back to earth, Docc delivered a hit from the field gun. Shawk's response was to accuse Docc of an HO.

I only got an assist because of Docc's shot from the FG, but it was worth it just to see that in the text buffer.

LOL

NUKE · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2005, 08:47:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
FX, good to see ya.

Howie, my source is reliable. Maybe it was a misunderstanding.
In fact, when I returned to the game and saw the list of old frineds on his squad roster, I was hoping for an invite but he didn't even acknowledge me in the MA, giving credence, perhaps, to what I'd heard. Not the end of the world, but disappointing nonetheless

Steve, he said it in more a of kidding way, He knows you and I are friends and I don't think he meant it in serious way.

As far a squad invite, I didn't even know you were flying until I saw a post on this BBS. When I saw you online you were in the Muppets.......maybe that's why not invite? I don't know.

It's great to have yo back though and I'll fly with you anytime.

Trippy · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2005, 10:05:48 AM »

well there are plenty of threads on how to be a score potato, think rod367th made a good one once.

at any rate as some might guess, many do not base pilot's abilities by what their rank is, sadly most do. i say this because i believe it has to be a driving factor in hoarding, flying straight for vulch with 10 other planes already up, and other general dweebness.

i am not accussing anyone of being a dweeb here btw. many of the older players in this game know who the good sticks are, whether their score reflects this or not is another matter. the problem is that there is little left of the old community and i guess most think that if they are ranked #... everyone will respect them as a great player.

i've seen some of these high ranked players, some are good, some are less than average pilots. if you want to fly for rank is fine by me, but you won't get my respect for having a high rank, bore n zoom, vulching, hoarding etc. when i get in a good fight (not 10 v 1) and am killed because of superior flying, then i respect that person-regardless of score. my only point, it takes more than a good score to impress me.

FX1 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 17, 2005, 12:14:50 PM »

Steve I was asking about you a couple of month ago and shawk said that you had stopped playing. I said that you would be a great stick to have back and shawk agreed that it would be fun to have you in the squad. Stalc just came back and has been flying with us allot the past couple of weeks. I still will not forget one day in AW when you changed sides and shot me down 4 times in a row. The first time I was on the can but the other 3 were legit and I could understand. That was back in the day I didn’t loose a 1v1. The next day I asked if anybody had heard of **** and PK said o that’s Steve he changed sides last night. Question answered and I gave you hell for it later on that night.

Also I have never heard shawk talk bad about you and I am on every night. If he did I am sure he was just F around like we do. Hell Hondo/Howi gives me more crap than anyone but I still fly with them lol. Our vox can get bad some nights, if someone that did know us tuned in it would sound like we all were fighting each other.

Nwbie · « **Reply #55 on:** February 17, 2005, 12:31:58 PM »

Shawk is a very good player at what he does, if you see a 190 just perched waiting for you to make a mistake, then run, it is most likely his buttt, he is good at keeping you out of getting a gun solution on him, he won't furball, he flys his plane to the strength that it is good for.. nothin wrong with that, it is his 15 bucks a month..and like I said, he is good at what he does..

btw : PS: Steve's an A***hole!!!!!!

Welcome back

NwBie

Urchin · « **Reply #56 on:** February 17, 2005, 12:59:29 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Hehe, I remember shawk coming after me in a grudge match a couple of years ago. He in a Dora, me in a G10. He kept B&Zing me and there was little I could do to get close to him as he was always able to zoom back up to his perch.

Finally his patience wore thin, and he began to take some chances. I blew his wing off, and as he floated back to earth, Docc delivered a hit from the field gun. Shawk's response was to accuse Docc of an HO. I only got an assist because of Docc's shot from the FG, but it was worth it just to see that in the text buffer.

LOL

Holy **** Beetle... 1 kill... 2 years ago. And you are still gloating?

You prefer to be addressed as Beetmann, or Hartbeet?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #57 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:03:53 PM »

Urchin, when you fly with such timidity as Beetle, you can count the number of actual fights per year on both hands and feet. How could he not remember this one?

-- Todd/Leviathn

FX1 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:22:51 PM »

BTW Shawk was in one of the biggest furbal last night for over an hour. I got into some trouble with 5 our 6 tailing me he came down and cleared my six at the deck. When I came back after I landed he was still their at 6k. I think most people don’t really go after 190 that much because of the run factor. It’s hard to find him by himself because we always fly together and WoT is a very large squad. I guess if I lost most of my battles with one person I would be the same way. I think the more other people talk trash about you the better stick you are. This was a legit question and has become something else. If it doesn’t take skills to be #1 and you have more than that person see if you can overtake him.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:30:07 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I'm always confused. Isn't the idea to use a plane's particular strengths? I mean, WTF are you supposed to do in a P-47 if you don't BnZ (assuming bombs and rockets aren't your thing)? I haven't actually started playing AH yet due to a crap machine I'm in the process of replacing, but in the old days if you were a fighter P47 guy... it was pretty much BnZ or High Alt bomber defense/hunting...... both of which seem to label you a dweeb.

Woof

Exactly, while some planes are decent at more than one particular method the vast majority can either be labeled E-Fighter or Turn-Fighter. For some reason the turn-fighter crowd seems to have the impression that their way is the only way and even someone in an E-Fighter should attempt to turn with them, especially if it's one vs. one. This is rediculous. But, I can't blame them, if I was putting along in a SpitV and a Jug30 was BnZ'ing me I would really want him to get slow with me so I could have a chance to kill him, that's about the only way a slow turnfighter will get an E-FIghter in most situations. Somehow there is the misconception that anyone, regardless of plane match-up who refuses to get low and slow with a turning plane is cowardly. I contend that those in E-Fighters that maintain their discipline and advantage and refuse to get sucked in to the slow TnB plane's low-speed, tight turning radii trap are the purists. The first instinct of a newbie is to just get target fixated and follow their target around no matter what the situation, not many have the discipline to do otherwise even if it's most prudent to do so.

The most successfull pilots are those who intimately know the strengths and weaknesses of their ride and exploit those strengths to the maximum while at the same time minimizing the impact of the aircraft's weaknesses. I'm not saying, someone couldn't put 50% gas in an E-Fighter and hold their own in the odd turn fight, just that to do so under normal circumstances is usually an excercise in futility and an express trip to the tower against the pure turnfighters.

E-fighting is just as valid a technique as any other, in terms of the historical record it was actually the much preferred method of dispatching the enemy for survival reasons. In Ah2, E-Fighters are not only less manueverable, but are typically far more fuel laden, have much larger and heavier weapon packages and loadouts and take far longer to re-alt. So, E-fighters are actually, usually even more disadvantaged in the TNB game as they would appear just by looking at the base flight characteristics. There's very few instances I would be willing to blow alot of my time-consuming altitude for merely just one kill. Entirely different story for someone who just upped a SPit5 with 50% gas and a small ammoload near their own field.

Zazen