Zazen

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK If you go willingly and knowingly go into a situation such as the case of a furball or a basepork. knowing full well the odds of you surviving it is very unlikely which is usually the case  then you are in fact doing something suicidal even if it is your desire to not die.

This definition is so broad as to be useless .  Essentially, any act of dying regardless of the motivation of the player depends on what... the odds?  The numbers?  First, you cannot possibly measure this for every individual given the data at hand.  Second, you have defined "suicidal flying" so broadly that pretty much any data supports your theory.

What about people who fly to a base, vulch like crazy, and yet die to Ostwinds?  What about people who go there to vulch and soon find that their help has all been killed and they are in an untenable situation?  They went in with the odds, they expected to survive, they had every reason to survive, and yet they did not.  Suicidal?  Inept?  Or what?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by MOSQ
Dred,

Your quote about suicide base porkers was mine. I'm glad my quote struck a nerve with you!

I think there is a HUGE difference between suicide base porkers and furballers.

SBPs pay no attention to the plane on their 6. None! They dive in, barely extend, turn around dive in until dead. They ignore ack and other players until dead.  When they take off on such missions, they know with certainty they will not return.  

 

And the exact same thing can be said for the bulk of the furballers.
they dive in on a target get target fixated ignore the planes on their 6 until they are dead.

Furballers think baseporking is dweeby cause they claim it messes up their furball. Base porkerd feel furballers are dweeby cause they wont help fight against the horde
Neither particularly cares about living other then to complain when they dont get a check6. forget about checking their own 6 or that the people around them might have been just a bit too busy worrying about their own 6 to give one but thats another issue altogether.

It is the exeption rather then the norm the people that fly to live.
thus it is the norm that people basically are suiciders for the reasons I described above.

but those baseporkers do serve a purpose. when they destroy troops and ammo.
That makes it harder for the Horde Warriors to come in and storm your bases and got for the quick capture which ultimately does ruin your furball.
which is never really ruined to begine with. It just forces it to move to another area.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
This definition is so broad as to be useless .  Essentially, any act of dying regardless of the motivation of the player depends on what... the odds?  The numbers?  First, you cannot possibly measure this for every individual given the data at hand.  Second, you have defined "suicidal flying" so broadly that pretty much any data supports your theory.

What about people who fly to a base, vulch like crazy, and yet die to Ostwinds?  What about people who go there to vulch and soon find that their help has all been killed and they are in an untenable situation?  They went in with the odds, they expected to survive, they had every reason to survive, and yet they did not.  Suicidal?  Inept?  Or what?

-- Todd/Leviathn

inept.
  But
you know. you keep going on like that and you might eventually get my point

[hubsonfire]

Why don't you just rename this thread, "Dredlock's Personal Thread to pound his own chest and call everyone in the game inept, incompetent, and suicidal, without regard for anything beyond his own high opinion of self and low opinion of others, especially excluding fact and logic, while expressly promoting field porking as the only noble, worthwhile action in AH2" so none of us would have wasted a minute on this lame-assed thread.

Cheers,

hub

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
But
you know. you keep going on like that and you might eventually get my point

I think it is you who do not get the point, Drediock.  If you want to argue that some form of flying is "better" than another, then go ahead and do it.  Using statistics in the way you've asked Zazen will not prove your point; you cannot prove your hypothesis with the data available to us.  To make up for this, you continue to broaden your definition of "suicidal" flying so that it basically includes almost any kind of dying.

In any event, distinguishing between inept and suicidal is impossible.  Plus you cannot make a normative argument that "suicidal" flying is somehow worse than, say, "realistic" flying.  The statistics won't bear that out either.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Drunky]

HAHA Zazen

I remember you

[Grits]

I like to fly in the weeds because it is a way to get people to engage if they see a target much lower than them. I stay below 3K AGL because I hate puffy ack. When I take off I dont INTEND to die, but I would rather fight 5 enemas by myself in an IL2 50 FT off the ground (because the FH's are down and nobody else will take off under the vulchers) than fly for 30 minutes in a mob to gangrape one badguy.

I dont survive many (any?) 10v1's but that doesnt mean I'm suicidal, or that I dont want to RTB, if I choose to fight one. Its about me personally pushing my  limits so that each time I take off I've learned someting from the last fight and I'm just that tiny bit better.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Why don't you just rename this thread, "Dredlock's Personal Thread to pound his own chest and call everyone in the game inept, incompetent, and suicidal, without regard for anything beyond his own high opinion of self and low opinion of others, especially excluding fact and logic, while expressly promoting field porking as the only noble, worthwhile action in AH2" so none of us would have wasted a minute on this lame-assed thread.

Cheers,

hub

Pound my own chest? LMAO no.

And I dont have a low opinion of others.
what I have a low opinion of is when people constantly whine about how others fly when in reality they dont fly any better or live any more consistantly then those they critique wilst pounding their own chests

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I think it is you who do not get the point, Drediock.  If you want to argue that some form of flying is "better" than another, then go ahead and do it.  Using statistics in the way you've asked Zazen will not prove your point; you cannot prove your hypothesis with the data available to us.  To make up for this, you continue to broaden your definition of "suicidal" flying so that it basically includes almost any kind of dying.

In any event, distinguishing between inept and suicidal is impossible.  Plus you cannot make a normative argument that "suicidal" flying is somehow worse than, say, "realistic" flying.  The statistics won't bear that out either.

-- Todd/Leviathn

nope I get the point just fine. it is after all MY point Im trying to make.
Thing is one form of flying IS NOT any better then any other
THAT is the point.

And you just said so yourself

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Thing is one form of flying IS NOT any better then any other
THAT is the point.

And you just said so yourself

I have been saying that for years.  And I'm still telling you that no amount of data collection will prove this one way or another.

-- Todd/Leviathn