Author Topic: Medium AAMs... R-77 vs AIM-120C  (Read 1341 times)

Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2005, 04:44:43 PM »
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ORRR you could just hack it and disable/destroy it.



"Just hack it", eh?

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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2005, 04:44:05 PM »
Cobra, you'll never find an admission like that.  In fact, you will probably never even hear a person with a security clearance positively state that Aviation Leak has ever published any classified material of any kind, ever, because such an admission would in itself be a security leak.

But now that you've asked, I gotta report you.  pbbththth.

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Seriously, I quit reading military web sites because there were a lot of people asking seemingly innocent questions, then occasionally tossing in an intelligent leading question about something I can't or won't discuss.  A few years ago, some kid asked about 15 F-15E aircrew some random questions that were innocent enough by themselves, but when put together let him put up a fairly convincing internet persona claiming to be an F-15E pilot.  He had details of deployments, dates, locations, photos, and the dumbprettythang even posted up names belonging to the faces in the pictures.  All in all it was a pretty good security breach that put a lot of people and their families at risk.

So you're not going to find many people who really know about such things talking about or confirming what should or should not have been said or printed by who, because even unclassified details can result in sensitive conclusions when put together correctly.

It's not unusual for a USAF officer to write a paper in his spare time based on 100% unclassifed information, and then the paper gets classifed immediately after submission because the analysis and conclusions crossed the line.

So yea, Aviation Leak is interesting and lots of military guys subscribe, but good luck finding out what is real and what is merely a repeat of a company's sales brochure.
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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2005, 05:55:39 PM »
There is a guy on this bbs, who when he was 12 or 13 years old, asked an F-15 pilot what he thought about having his engine power restricted.  The pilot never heard of this, and when he went and checked, it turned out his F-15 engines had power restrictions on them.  He was amazed that a 12 year old kid knew stuff about his plane that he didnt.

Maybe someone can identify the original poster.

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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2005, 07:33:29 PM »
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There is a guy on this bbs, who when he was 12 or 13 years old, asked an F-15 pilot what he thought about having his engine power restricted.  The pilot never heard of this, and when he went and checked, it turned out his F-15 engines had power restrictions on them.  He was amazed that a 12 year old kid knew stuff about his plane that he didnt.

Maybe someone can identify the original poster.


That was me SunTracker.

It was information I had learned as a kid and asked an F-15 pilot at Luke AFB. I don't know if it  was classified information though......but I know the pilot never heard of it until I asked him. He later confirmed it was true and was surprized that I had known that.

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« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2005, 08:09:17 PM »
lol, they must have done something to me.....

I used to be like a walking aircraft enclopedia and now I can't even tie my own shoes.
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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2005, 09:57:03 PM »
Eagl I know what your saying.  Chairboy said he knew that a particular site leaked information.  If it had and he knew about it then it must have been made public.  That's all I was getting at.  

I'm an Eaglekeeper here and have heard enough bs posted on the net.  Especially when it comes to our avionics.  

Nuke many who deal with the our motors know that PW limited their motors.  They don't run even close to what their maximum capability is.  It was a big thing back in the day between GEs motors and PWs for the F-16.  GE didn't limit their motors capabilities and PW did.

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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2005, 10:12:31 PM »
Actually, I'm surprised you don't know what Aviation Week is.  It's not a 'site', it's a magazine that's regularily disclosed classified information over the past decades, usually months before the USAF or Navy does.

You can be the big hero if you run to your CO and tell him/her that you just found out that Aviation Week has leaked classified info.  They will be astonished, I'm sure.
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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2005, 10:15:06 PM »
Cobra, this was back more than 25 years ago......when I was a kid.

Like I said, I don't think it was secret....but the pilots didn't know that Luke AFB was reducing the power output.

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« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2005, 12:25:08 AM »
Chairboy and I asked where and when since you know of such an incident and know that it's happenend alot in the past.  I could claim the same thing when it comes to the local and national media.  They constantly leak information that is considered classified.  They leak everytime we deploy, approximate body count, equipment count and from what bases.  Troop movements of this kind are considered classified too.  Is this the kind of info your speaking of or is it indepth system based?  Leaking that a new system is coming out but having very little knowledge of how it operates isn't much.  Certain systems have in the past been considered classified.  If you even mentioned their acronym you could be in violation.  Overtime it's been seen that it doesn't matter if they know the name of the system.  If they don't know exactly what it does or critical information such as frequencies then it means little to nothing.

Even the F-117 was put on the front page of Popular Science before the majority of the nation even knew of its existance.  Had it not been for the media and their nosing around military crashes the F-117 probably would have been kept secret for even longer.  All these agencies do is jeopordize our National Security and men and women in uniform so they can have a front page story.  It's amazing how selfish some of them are.  We are the one thing that is standing between them and some rogue nation trying to invade or attack our homeland.  Yet it doesn't phase them one bit to leak such information regardless how basic it may seem.  

The downfall of the United States of America will be because of those within.  Their ignorance will cost us and has cost us in the past.  The media should for once in their life think before they speak and understand how they can and do put our nation and our military members in jeapordy from things they think they are privy to.

Nuke I hear ya.  And it wasn't necessarily Luke that was doing it.  The motors are designed and operate that way.  The computers basically govern the output of the motor on some variants just like they do in cars.  It's to keep the life of the engines up.  We'd run into the same problems as some other nations with their engine designs.  They don't limit them and in the end have major failures or alot of down time due to damaged motors.