Crime Drops 99%!

[Furball]

99% of crime in Aces High has now vanished due to the introduction of the firing hand gun.... WTG HTC!!

[Lazerus]

We told ya!!!












On a serious note, I read a statistc somewhere today that said that if the inner city crime in America was taken out of the statistics, the gun-crime(whatever that is?) rate was lower than England or Australia. I'm not sure if they meant crimes commited with guns, or homocides commited with guns. Either way, I thought it was an interesting statistic given the debate about gun control laws and the results that have been posted here for both sides of the argument.

Take out the drug infested dregs of society and the crimes that they perpetrate on each other, and our gun crime (?) level is less than that of the two gun control societies that are compared to us.

Again, I can't quote it, just heard it on the radio today.



it wasn't fox radio

[beet1e]

[beet1e]

Of course, the pro-gun guys won't be impressed with that 99%. They only approve of laws that work 100% - hence gun control in Britain "doesn't work" because 68 people were shot in 2003. So don't be surprised if one of 'em comes in here, points to that 1% and cries "the HTC handgun policy doesn't work!". :D

[beet1e]

Lazerus - that was quoted in another thread here. And, as Nashwan was quick to point out, no matter how many times it is said, it is still wrong.

[GrimCO]

I can't remember the exact statistics either, but I can speak from experience having worked for 7 years as a police officer in an inner city area...  The vast majority of gun crimes were comitted by criminals ON criminals. Occasionally, while spraying away at their intended "adversary", they'd hit some innocent bystander or child playing with their blocks in the living room.

But of course if guns were outlawed, these types of people would surrender their firearms, or cease any attempts to obtain one because it would be illegal to own a gun.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by beet1e
Lazerus - that was quoted in another thread here. And, as Nashwan was quick to point out, no matter how many times it is said, it is still wrong.

Great, finally some definitive information. Can you link that thread for me please sir?

[beet1e]

It's here.

I don't know about "finally". Nashwan has been quoting the facts for as long as I can remember - often in response to someone who has "heard something".

[Lazerus]

Well, no facts there. At least not in reference to what I was talking about.

Maybe he heard something?

Hell mate, ya had me all worked up. I thought maybe there was something out there to solve this argument. I guess I'll just have to spend some time to find the facts that I think I heard.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Lazerus
that I think I heard.

Oh! - so reliable!

You don't know Nashwan. He always researches the facts about this stuff from authoritative sources such as the FBI website. He doesn't just post what he "hears", unlike some others. If he didn't do that to your satisfaction this time, it's only because he's done it 500 times before and perhaps he's getting a little tired of it. Because no matter how many times he repeats it, the pro-gun guys repeat their false comparisons. And no matter how many times they state their erroneous assessments, they're still erroneous.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by beet1e
Oh! - so reliable!

You don't know Nashwan. He always researches the facts about this stuff from authoritative sources such as the FBI website. He doesn't just post what he "hears", unlike some others. If he didn't do that to your satisfaction this time, it's only because he's done it 500 times before and perhaps he's getting a little tired of it. Because no matter how many times he repeats it, the pro-gun guys repeat their false comparisons. And no matter how many times they state their erroneous assessments, they're still erroneous.

The "facts that I think I heard" was a tounge in cheek response to you posting that link as proof against what I said.

There was nothing in that link that offered factual evidence, or even biased statistics countering what I said.

But, I did read what I said, I'm just not sure where I read it or who was the source. That's why I didn't post it as fact.

I'll try to take some time tonight (12 hours from now) and see if I can find a source.

Just curious, if the info is correct, would you reconsider your position?

[lazs2]

white middle class people commit homicides with guns too but... It is at a rate that would be about that of canada say.  around 1.5-2 per 100,000.   depending on how you read the stats.

none of this says that if those people didn't have guns they wouldn't still commit a homicide.

nashwan has been caught being "selective" in his facts and unable to explain some of the inconsitancies too.

lazs

[straffo]

Originally posted by Lazerus
On a serious note, I read a statistc somewhere today that said that if the inner city crime in America was taken out of the statistics, the gun-crime(whatever that is?) rate was lower than England or Australia. I'm not sure if they meant crimes commited with guns, or homocides commited with guns. Either way, I thought it was an interesting statistic given the debate about gun control laws and the results that have been posted here for both sides of the argument.

Take out the drug infested dregs of society and the crimes that they perpetrate on each other, and our gun crime (?) level is less than that of the two gun control societies that are compared to us.

Again, I can't quote it, just heard it on the radio today.



it wasn't fox radio

You can't be serious with a post like that

And how it compare with England if your remove of the british stat's the "inner city crime" also ?

[indy007]

Originally posted by Furball
99% of crime in Aces High has now vanished due to the introduction of the firing hand gun.... WTG HTC!!

So when do we get panzershreks?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Lazerus
The "facts that I think I heard" was a tounge in cheek response to you posting that link as proof against what I said.

There was nothing in that link that offered factual evidence, or even biased statistics countering what I said.

Like I said, Nashwan has posted all the facts before, using Home Office and FBI websites as his sources. Do a search on the BBS for nashwan, then check the title to see if it's a "gun thread". It's all there.