Libertarianism

[Furious]

freeballin'.

That's a Tom Petty song, right?

[Thrawn]

Nash, you're wrong and I'm right.  That's all you need to know here.

[Fruda]

American Libertarianism seems to be a good thing. However, there's a problem --- What about people who do, in fact, need welfare?

I've had first-hand experience with this, as have plenty of my friends. When your Dad isn't healthy enough to even get out of bed for a year, the "too lazy to work" excuse gets thrown right out the window. The same goes for when said Dad is too ill to walk for more than 100 yards at any given time.

Taxes are needed for some things. That's just how it goes.


And there's a difference between American and European Libertarianism. American Libertarianism is what's being discussed right now: Very, very small government, with no taxes or any "government handouts" whatsoever. European Libertarianism is Socialist: A government meant to protect the civil liberties of all citizens, with free government programs to support the people.

I'd say I'm in between the two. American Libertarianism just has too few (or none at all) programs for people who can't make money, and European Libertarianism has a bit too many restrictions on business actions.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Nash, you're wrong and I'm right.  That's all you need to know here.

I thought that went without saying.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Furious
freeballin'.

That's a Tom Petty song, right?

Sounds more like Ron Petty song.

Harrrharrrr... I'm killing myself.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Fruda
When your Dad isn't healthy enough to even get out of bed for a year, the "too lazy to work" excuse gets thrown right out the window. The same goes for when said Dad is too ill to walk for more than 100 yards at any given time.

1.  Without the government confiscating so much income and property, people will have that much more money for charity.
2.  Dad can choose to get private disability or unemployment insurance.
3.  Dad can choose an employer who provides such insurance as a benefit.

[Zulu7]

I hate having to choose bloody everything. Life complicated enough as it is.

Choice is a word used by politicians to absolve themselves of any responsibility.

I said that


I like my European Socialist libertarians. I pay them thay take care of all the complicated crap. Every few years I get to choose if they stay in their job or not.

The B**tard who managed my Pop's pension fund, paid himself a whacking great salary and bonuses and virtualy lost all Pop's money condeming him to carry on working after retirement age, is still in his job his nice house his big fat car.  I can't vote that wa*ker fat cat out of his job!

[lazs2]

can someone give an example of people who starved to death in America in the great depression before welfare?

funked is right.  People will give if they aren't being extorted by their government.   I won't watch someone starve to death but...

Knowing there is welfare makes me somewhat callus... "I pay enough"   "they get plenty"... etc.

lazs

[moot]

Zulu you shoulda stayed at your parent's

[lazs2]

zulu... you can vote all you want but if your government gets bigger and bigger you getr more and more powerless... that is fine if you are a woman but not if you are an individual..

problem is... you vote to restrict others rights and then someone else votes to restrict yours and the whole time the government laughs and gets fatter making laws they don't have to live by but keep you in line.

If we banned all motorcycles it would save many lives.. it would save money in socialist medical benifiets and most people in your country would be better off...  

and... it would be for your own good... and..

even tho I think you deserve it for your attitude.... I would fight it.

lazs