History Channel says......

[Wilbus]

SR71 not a Fighter Yucca, although it is the fastest Jet

The Swedish JA37 Viggen has been brought up to Mach 2.5 aswell, it was still accelerating at that speed. Problem is the plane can only fly on full afterburner for 10 minutes before it runs out of fuel.

[jaxxo]

If it aint a falcon, it aint worth the money.

[Howitzer]

Its been verified in this post already, but I thought the 15 was faster and had a better thrust to weight ratio.  The best thrust to weight ratio still belongs to the me163 if I'm not mistaken, but then again it was a manned rocket with 30mms.  

In any case, I'm surprised noone said anything about the F22 or the JSF.  I'd be interested in knowing how those are going to compare...  Even though they rely more on stealth, I figure engineers are geeks and to make it cooler, you'd have to give it a boost in HP  

[nirvana]

MiG 25 not SU25 my mistake ummmm

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/mig-25_foxbat.pl
MiG 25 Top Speed: mach 2.83

so a bit faster then the F15.

[Slash27]

Mig 25 is faster than anything but the SR71, however, it's not a fighter. If I remember correctly, it's maximum g loading is 5g's. It was designed to be able to intercept supersonic bombers, and thats about it.

Wasnt the F-14s main role a bomber intercepter? Keep the Bears away from the fleet.



I'm surprised noone said anything about the F22 or the JSF. I'd be interested in knowing how those are going to compare...


This book claims the F-22 at Mach 1.7 at 30k(1157 mph). It also states she cook along at mach 1.58 at 36k in non-after burning "supercruise" mode. Not word on her range though. This has no performance data on the X-35 JSF.

[Cobra412]

The Raptors thrust to weight ratio should be substantially better than the F-15 considering it has the F119 motors.  Considering it does have super cruise capabilities this should be obvious.  Not to start a debate but there has been an F-15 that was capable of supercruise.  The fuel effeciency wasn't all that great though.  

The PW 229s are only capable of about 29,000 lbs of thrust where as the F119 is capable of almost 35,000 lbs of thrust.  The PW F135s are capable of 40,000 lbs of thrust.  The Raptors empty weight is substantially lower than the F-15, almost 14,000 lbs lighter.  

Slash I wanna say that 1.7 MACH is for a best performance scenario.  I can almost guarantee that it's top speed is well beyond 1.7.  If you take a look at Lockheeds site it will states it's a MACH 2 class aircraft.

[Slash27]

Slash I wanna say that 1.7 MACH is for a best performance scenario. I can almost guarantee that it's top speed is well beyond 1.7. If you take a look at Lockheeds site it will states it's a MACH 2 class aircraft.


  Ill check out their site Cobra, thanks. All the data I posted was from "The Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft". Nice little Xmas gift:)

[Cobra412]

cc Slash.  One other thing to remember is that plane is made up of almost 27% composite materials.  That drastically cuts down on weight.  There would only be a few other things that could limit the planes ability to reach the same top speeds as the F-15.  

I just doubt it's speeds are much less than the F-15s.  Considering it's major assets are it's maneuverability, avionics and stealth it may not need the speed though.  The F-15 was designed to perform better at mach speeds than at lower speeds.  The flight characteristics start to excel drastically once it gets above mach 1 and higher.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by jaxxo
If it aint a falcon, it aint worth the money.

ohhhhh GAG me with a SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!

[Cobra412]

Tumor all F-16 guys are like that.  It still makes me wonder why the Air Force ever made the F-16 it's poster child.  Makes me giggle a bit because of a few incidents that happenend while I was in the desert.  F-16 guys kept boasting about how good they were while we were deployed.

We were stationed in Turkey covering the Northern No Fly zone.  One of our sister squadrons were there with us in the F-15Cs  and us in our F-15Es.  The F-16 Operations group that was there with us decided they were going put up some LGBs for the missions the next day.  The AEF commander saw their config memo and told them to let the big boys take care of the bombing missions.  They had to reconfig every bird late that night so they could go back to their SEAD role.  The F-16 weapons crews were pissed.

The F-16 aircrews were a bit pissed too because every day we launched we came back empty.  They were basically taking long and not so scenic tours of the desert.  In the meanwhile we were bombing the hell out of the Iraqi AAA, SAM sites and relay centers for 45 days straight.  The F-16s never even had a chance to launch on any targets while we were there.  That was the most ordinance that had been dropped on Northern Iraq since the end of the Gulf War.  We had dropped more ordinance in the first 3 days than our sister squadron that was there before us had done in their whole 45 day rotation.

It was also pretty amusing to watch an F-16 try to max climb on one of our down days from flying in the AOR.  The F-16 took off and did a max climb.  Right after they got half way down the strip our F-15E started rolling down the runway.  Right about the time the F-16 leveled off our F-15 screamed pass him still in a max climb and leveled off about 7 thousand feet above the F-16.  Needless to say they didn't try to out do us in max climbs after that for the rest of our rotation.  

It's always fun to have those kind of inner wars going on between squadrons.  Heck we made fun of the Tornados that were there with us doing photo recon.  Couldn't help but raz their maintainers and ask them how much combat they had seen.  Was also pretty funny to see an AIM9 mounted on the top of the wing.  That was a first for most of us.  Was kind of a ongoing joke throughout the AEF.  Kept asking their weapons crews if they had realised they had the pylons mounted on the wrong side of the wing.

[hogenbor]

Originally posted by peregrin
Mig 25 is faster than anything but the SR71, however, it's not a fighter.  If I remember correctly, it's maximum g loading is 5g's.  It was designed to be able to intercept supersonic bombers, and thats about it.
--Peregrine.

And what would be the max G-loading of the Mig-31?

[TBolt A-10]

Cobra,
Just curious...have the F16 and F15 competed in a dogfight?  If so, how did they perform against eachother...honestly.

I don't know.  That's why I'm askin'.



Thanks.

[LLv34_Snefens]

Originally posted by Howitzer
The best thrust to weight ratio still belongs to the me163 if I'm not mistaken, but then again it was a manned rocket with 30mms.  

Wrong.
Even when empty it's still <1:1 thrust to weight ratio. At full weight it can sustain speed at about 25 degree climb, increasing to about 70 just before fuel is spent. It could never accelerate vertical.

[peregrin]

Originally posted by hogenbor
And what would be the max G-loading of the Mig-31?

No idea, but personally, I don't think non-deployed aircraft count for this kind of comparison.

Wasnt the F-14s main role a bomber intercepter? Keep the Bears away from the fleet.

That true, but it is also a capable fighter with a normal max g rating of 9-10.

The f22 is a much faster aircraft than f15 or f16.  It may not end up winning the max speed statistic, but the supercruise capability means that its usable speed and accelleration is in a different class than any other fighter.  During testing I read reports from chase pilots in f16's who couldn't keep up witha military power f22 even with full afterburner on the chase plane.
--Peregrine.

[jollyFE]

If I remember correctly, the engines in the 25 had to be pulled every 30 - 50 hours of operation.  They put out gobs of thrust but don't last.

As for the 15 and 16 drivers out there...You are all just potential Air Medals for me and my co-workers.


Jolly Greens..."Flying where otheres fail"

lol...all in fun

Jolly FE