Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, the one who shot off it's wingtip was one Su-15, then another shot a wingtip again ("target divided" and this wreck looked like a bomb or cruise missile, so a BVR missile was shot at it). Then a third Su flown by Keferov found the Boeing again (first pair RTBed because they were low on fuel) and forced it to land at the lake. 707 was making attempts to leave Soviet airspace (so they knew where they are).
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Are you talking about KAL 902? The 707 at Murmansk? The target didn't "divide". Look at the photo; one missile hit out near the wingtip.
They made confessions, there was a trial and they were released as a sign of good will from Soviet side. There must have been an ICAO investigation too.
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Yes, they signed confessions saying what they HAD to say to be release. If they didn't sign, no release. I'm sure there was a trial. The Soviets were FAMOUS for rigged trials.
There was an ICAO investigation, but since the Soviets NEVER released the FDR there's no "absolute" answer.
Years later the Soviets released a map (almost certainly based on analysis of flight recorder data) which showed that the aircraft had begun a wide right turn soon after reaching Iceland on its Amsterdam to Anchorage over-the-pole route.
Such a turn was too gradual to occur manually, and the on-board guidance equipment would have equally been unable to match it deliberately, so a plausible explanation involved a drift in the aircraft's inertial platform or the manual keyboard entry of an incorrect correction factor for Earth's rotation (the apparent path would have been followed if the sign of the correction factor had been reversed).
UberFinns recorded no transmittions from Soviet side?! Toad, you are so funny in believing nonsence someone feeds you!
Anyway, was it possible for Finns to record Soviet ground control transmittions? I doubt it. Koreans were at 9000m, so both Soviet and Finnish side could communicate with them w/o hearing each other. I am not a specialist.
True, you are not a specialist.
Think of this. Your fighters are required by ICAO to broadcast on 121.5. They DID NOT. Because if the Finns could record KAL, they could record a fighter near him as well.
His calls on 121.5 were recorded by a Finnish air traffic control tower at Rovaniemi, which also noted the lack of any Soviet calls
on the same frequency.
And, from personal experience, this is a true fact. They didn't hear any Soviet calls on 121.5, from Soviet air or ground units.
American intelligence units in Europe had been able to eavesdrop on the Soviet air-to-ground communications as they occurred via some new high-tech eavesdropping facilities, according to a recent book by Seymour Hersh.
They were able to intercept KAL007 over Kamchatka, but they thought it was a weekly American RC-135 excercise and didn't bother because usually they ran away before interceptors could get them.
First, we never "ran away" from you guys. The Chinese and North Koreans, yes... when they turned towards us, we turned away. However, that was not doctrine for Soviet fighters. We maintained track and watched your fighters comically try to fly formation with us.
Second: They didn't intercept KAL 007 over Kamchatka... they got low on fuel before they could. Otherwise, it would have been shot down over Kamchatka.
At 5:33 A.M., local time, Track 6065 entered Soviet airspace and thus became an intruder, targeted for destruction by Andropov’s inflexible new border-defense law.
As KE007 crossed the Kamchatka coastline, at least four Soviet fighters scrambled to intercept it. Then, low on fuel, they were forced back to base while KE007 was still being tracked by Kamchatka radar.
Illesh explains this embarrassing lapse: after 1976, when Lieutenant Viktor Belenko defected to Japan with a MIG-25, "they began to fuel the aircraft in such a fashion that a Soviet pilot would not have enough fuel . . . to reach the nearest foreign airfield."
Her crew still unaware that anything was amiss, KE007 flew over Kamchatka and on out to sea, and faded from the radar screens. Mortified, the people on duty at the Kamchatka command center informed their opposite numbers on Sakhalin Island, on the other side of the Sea of Okhotsk, that an intruder "provisionally identified as an RC-135" was headed their way.
It almost got away, didn't it?
As the fighter positions itself to fire, Kornukov worries that KE007 may escape. "Oh, ****. He is already getting out into neutral waters. Engage afterburner immediately. Bring in the MIG-23 as well. While you are wasting time, it will fly right out."
BTW, it could be a good idea to make a missile ambush for that RC-135, but noone bothered.
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They didn't bother because no RC-135 was in Soviet airspace.
BTW, I never heard of "Drop Shot" and the only web references are to one book. Got a link?
Check the dates please.
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Your Ballistic Missile subs were first launched in 1956.
Class Name Missile Entered Service NATO Designation
611 AB R-11FM 1956 ZULU V
629 R-13 1960 GOLF I
629 A R-21 1963 GOLF II
658 R-13 1960 HOTEL I
R-21 1963 HOTEL II
667 A Navaga R-27 1968 YANKEE I
Strategic Rocket Forces? Soviets built THE WORLD'S FIRST ONES! Now why would you be the FIRST to build an ICBM capable of carrying a nuke? Unless you wanted to burn OUR cities?
The Korolev design bureau’s R-7/SS-6 Sapwood was the world’s first intercontinental. Though R-7s were never widely deployed, the launch systems became the basis for the most successful satellite launch booster in the world.
The parameters of the R-7 were first outlined in a Soviet governmental order from February 13, 1953 that called for the development of a two-stage ballistic missile with a range of 8000 km with a payload carry of 3,000 kg and a gross liftoff weight of 170 tons.
Bombers? Soviets had "one-way" nuke carrying TU-4A's deployed in 1952. Only possible plan was to burn our cities with nukes.
Immediately after initial serial production of the Tu-4 began, work started to adapt the bomber to strike at American territory. Some airplanes were outfitted to carry nuclear bombs and were designated as TU-4A.
During re-equipment, the bomber was outfitted with a thermostatically controlled heated bomb bay, a suspension unit for the bomb was developed, and biological protection devices for the crew were supplied. Some TU-4 bombers were equipped with aerial refueling devices, and scant few were outfitted with additional fuel tanks located under the wings.
They were deployed in 1952, though the majority of the TU-4s were not re-equipped with air refueling. Although the limited range of the Tu-4 rendered it incapable of striking the United States and subsequently returning to bases in the Soviet Union, neither country was a stranger to one-way strategic bombardment missions, given the precedent of the FRANTIC operations in World War II.
Pretend you didn't plan for and participate in MAD if you like. The truth is you had most of that stuff either before or at the same time we did. Denying Soviet MAD plans is just another one of your self-deceptions, just like Katyn, KAL 902, KAL 007 and all the rest.