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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2005, 12:54:40 PM »
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The job of a peacekeeper is to oversee a ceasefire or peace treaty as a neutral third party and report to both sides on what they see. In every conflict where UN peacekeepers have been deployed they were invited by at least one of the parties to the conflict to act as neutral observers.


What happens if one of the opposing sides doesn't want peacekeepers in the country? Do they just observe & report ceasefire violations? What's the ROE when they get shot at? America started in Vietnam as "observers", and that didn't work out too well either.

It's a noble concept, but a bad implementation imho.

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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2005, 12:56:15 PM »
It isn't trolling. It's an observation of the obvious. You two appear willing to delude yourselves as to the true nature of the "Peacekeepers".

They do not fight. Nor do they keep the peace. The evidence is overwhelming. Rwanda and Srebrenica stand in mute testimony of the UN's ability to fight while "Peacekeeping".

Do they shoot back if shot at? I suppose they do and then they........leave.

As I said, explain Rwanda and Srebrenica to me if you're suggesting that UN Peacekeepers will fight to keep the peace. We all know they won't... can't. Not even when they have the proof it's coming, like Dallaire had.

If you are suggesting that they fight to defend themselves while they oversee a ceasefire or peace treaty as a neutral third party and report to both sides on what they see, then that is just silly and POINTLESS.

Obviously if they get into a shooting fight while observing a ceasefire then there is no ceasefire. This is undeniable, I'd think.

Any forces that attack the UN "Peacekeepers" know up front that they control the engagement. They can shoot as long as they want and there may/may not be a UN reaction. However, once the attackers ceasefire, the UN will not pursue them, will not eliminate them as a threat to the "peace".

Obviously, in that situation there's no ceasefire. Tactically, it's a boneheaded situation in which to put your soldiers. Since their job is not to win a war or fight a battle or make peace, then they might as well just leave.. or not come at all.

Nope, you boys can't have it both ways.

If they are not there to win a war or fight a battle or make peace then civilian observers will do just as well.

When shot at, they can leave, just like the UN "Peacekeepers" do.

After all, if they're getting shot at, there's no peace anyway. And since they don't keep the peace, the whole thing is pointless.

The UN sends armed soldiers to give an impression of the ability to use force. However, the world figured it out long ago. It's all sizzle and no steak and can be safely ignored.
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2005, 01:41:58 PM »
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They're not supposed to fight. They're there on the invitation of the conflicting parties to act as observers. If peacekeepers suddenly start to act like peacemakers, they will soon find themselves uninvited everywhere.

Ok, so no more peacekeepers ... then what? Do you people think any nation wanted to intervene in these backwater conflicts?

I don't think I'm the one deluding myself.


Obviously not everyone wanted them there.   Maybe they just got sick of the criminal behavior.

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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2005, 01:51:17 PM »
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Soldiers are better trained and equipped to defend themselves and/or UN relief workers should it become necessary. You know this Toad, but for some sick reason you just want to troll a thread like this.


Arent UN troops soldiers from the UN nations militaries?

edit: Doh, I totally misread that.. Sorry.  You were answring toad about why didnt send in unarmed observers... Right? :)
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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2005, 01:56:05 PM »
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Or perhaps they were mistaken for Americans. Everyone knows how successful the US PR campaign in Somalia was.


Gotta say, there aren't many US troops raping women in the Congo.  The UN has the monopoly on that.

No wonder they want them out.

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« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2005, 02:05:12 PM »
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That's because there aren't any US troops in the Congo. Why is that?


So the UN will be free to rape and pillage without interference?

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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2005, 02:09:15 PM »
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Naw, they're just too busy raping male Iraqi prisoners.


What's that got to do with the Congo?  Perhaps the truth just bothers you so much you have to avoid it.

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« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2005, 02:12:26 PM »
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I'm not avoiding anything. Why aren't the US in Congo? (raping and pillaging is optional)


Why should we be in the Congo?  What possible interest is it to us?

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« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
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Why should anyone?


Beats me.  I don't know what interest anyone would have there.   Perhaps to rape and pillage.

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« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2005, 02:39:22 PM »
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Not everybody have your urges Martlet. Some actually want to help when asked to do so.


I've never raped or pillaged anyone in the Congo.  Unlike the UN.

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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2005, 02:43:27 PM »
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That's probably just because you've never been to the Congo, or have you?


I've never raped or pillaged anyone anywhere.  Unlike the UN in the Congo.

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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2005, 02:46:39 PM »
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I don't believe you.


Who cares?   What's that have to do with the corrupt UN in the Congo?

Maybe you're so touchy about the topic because it brings back old memories.

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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2005, 02:54:59 PM »
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Hey don't bring me into your perverted fantasies.


Sorry to bring up bad memories for you.  Perhaps if you just confess your crimes, you'll feel better and can get help.  

Don't feel too bad about it.  It's SOP for the UN these days in the Congo.

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« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2005, 03:00:33 PM »
I find it comic how much many of the posters here seem to hate UN and France even though they have no real sensible reason to do so.

Power of the media.

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« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2005, 03:07:52 PM »
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I say again, don't bring me into your perverted fantasies Martlet.


You can say it as many times as you like.  It doesn't change the fact that you should seek atonement for you past.  It's the only way you can move on, and stop sticking up for the UN rapists in the Congo.