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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2005, 05:50:19 PM »
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early jets used cartridge starters up through Vietnam... never seen a cartidge starter for a piston powered plane.


Cartridge starting was common. All F4Us prior to the 1-D used D type starting cartridges. The FM-2 used a C type cartridge. Early F2A fighters used an inertia starter, but beginning with the F2A-2, this was changed to an Eclipse type II cartridge starting system.

All USAAF fighters used inertia starting systems.

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2005, 07:02:46 AM »
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Do not use up all of the runway, land as near as possible to the beginning of therunway.

it's written here clearly that the P47 is over modeled and gamey.
I've used up the entire runway many times and the plane did not auto brake. All other planes auto brake at 2/3 of the runway which causes an unrecoverable ground loop and uncontrollable BBS whining.

The P47 was not able to use up the entire runway in real life. This gives the P47 an unfair advantage. HTC please fix.

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2005, 07:10:01 AM »
Yep just press the mighty "E"

that all.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2005, 08:59:05 AM »
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it's written here clearly that the P47 is over modeled and gamey.
I've used up the entire runway many times and the plane did not auto brake. All other planes auto brake at 2/3 of the runway which causes an unrecoverable ground loop and uncontrollable BBS whining.

The P47 was not able to use up the entire runway in real life. This gives the P47 an unfair advantage. HTC please fix.

Bozon


I'm not sure but perhaps they might be trying to say "aim for the numbers and don't land long".
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2005, 05:32:59 PM »
This list will come in handy when I decide to steal a P47, sell it for several million dollars, and retire a rich man.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2005, 06:08:46 PM »
The only way you'll ever become a millionair owning a warbird is first starting off with 2 million.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2005, 01:26:36 PM »
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early jets used cartridge starters up through Vietnam... never seen a cartidge starter for a piston powered plane.


I don't know about early jets, but what aircraft are you talking abou tin Vietnam that used a cartridge starter system?  Also, the aircraft that did use the cartridge system , did not use it as the primary starting system.  I understand that it was used as a backup only.  I also know of no "Jets" in Vietnam that used a cartridge starting system.
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2005, 01:31:08 PM »
The A4M, Skyhawk had its own starter. One tap (pop throttle to the left)  of the igniters and she'd light off.

No cartridges.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2005, 05:00:15 PM »
RB-57's used cartridge starters...




The MXU 4 A/A cartridge drives turbo/mechanical starters to start engines for aircraft such as the F-111, B-52, KC-135 and others

The F-100 and F-105's also used them...
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2005, 02:42:47 PM »
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So when did the pilots fly? Before or after getting blown to pieces because of reading the 2 hour checklist?


It's not *that* bad.

Take a look at the complete startup and takeoff checklist for a Cessna 172 sometime -- it's not that much shorter!
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2005, 03:14:23 PM »
Tempest and Tiffy used cartiges to start the napier sabre.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2005, 04:30:18 PM »
Much as I'd like to see the "USAAF Uber Flaps" toned down, I have to ask:

What if they're talking full flaps or takeoff flaps? 1 Notch is a small amount. Perhaps the 198MPH is meant to prevent destruction from a higher angle of deployment?


If you can find more info please send it to HTC! I'd like to see P41 and P47 and P38 flaps efficiency reduced.
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2005, 05:12:32 PM »
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Much as I'd like to see the "USAAF Uber Flaps" toned down, I have to ask:

What if they're talking full flaps or takeoff flaps? 1 Notch is a small amount. Perhaps the 198MPH is meant to prevent destruction from a higher angle of deployment?


If you can find more info please send it to HTC! I'd like to see P41 and P47 and P38 flaps efficiency reduced.


I believe that refers to lowering full flaps, not partial flaps. At higher speeds the torque tubes would bend. Additionally, P-38 flap use in combat is extremely well documented, as is use in the P-51. However, using flaps in a P-40 to enhance turning was unlikely as the flap system was extremely difficult to use.

All of the above verified by actual pilots.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2005, 09:54:09 PM »
i assume you memorize the checklist, only glance at it in passing.
eventually it becomes a routine.
indeed it's a bit longer than one you would find for trainer, but not overly long.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2005, 11:05:12 PM »
AH P-47 checklist...

  40's tunes on cable..
  Cold beer open, 11 more in ice...
  Smokes & lighter...

  click "fly"
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