I predict either 1) nuclear war in Middle East or ...

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
hehe i just found this in other article on same news site.



its so hard to belive that Iran doesnt need Nuclear power plant isnt it ?

Their energy demands 30 years ago were covered by 20 PP .. yet some people still dont understand why they want NPP so much.

Again, you just don't understand things apparently. Ok so lets say that their goal is energy. Why didnt they take this offer?

- Iran rejected a European demand to stop building a heavy water nuclear reactor in return for a light-water reactor Sunday, hardening Iran’s position on a key part of its nuclear facilities that critics claim is part of a weapons program.

see because the answer is you can't produce nukes with light water reactors.

[lada]

Originally posted by Raider179


The other stuff you said is mindless drivel. Hey here is an idea lets give everyone nukes and then we will all be safe. That has to be the dumbest thing ever said. I actually think I am dumber for having read that part of your post.

hehe you are just a dumb that you didnt take it as a joke.


About breaking words... IMAO you must be shock by Israel's way to Nukes and their doctrine... arent you ?

Well my dear you should read materials and other stuff about Iran from that site, where Iran said, that they bought  most stuff for their  Nuclear program on black market.

And simply math say... if iranian were able to buy sutch things 5+ years ago... then IMAO US must be full of dirty bombs


i guess you are one of those who belive that iranians drive camels and dreaming about blowing up US right ?

[lada]

Originally posted by Raider179
Again, you just don't understand things apparently. Ok so lets say that their goal is energy. Why didnt they take this offer?

- Iran rejected a European demand to stop building a heavy water nuclear reactor in return for a light-water reactor Sunday, hardening Iran’s position on a key part of its nuclear facilities that critics claim is part of a weapons program.

see because the answer is you can't produce nukes with light water reactors.

because reactors whitch they bought from russian need heavy water.  Also reactors whitch use light water are weaker.
Anyway im wondering why nobody offer them complete know how with light water.
Since they want NP badly , they will not give it up untill they will have similary soloution for similary price.

Does it make sense ?


edit:

Iran is planning to become a major supplier of nuclear fuel in the future and Iran has said before it needs the heavy-water reactor for research and development.

It were in same report whitch you mentioned.. so why did you ask me ?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
hehe you are just a dumb that you didnt take it as a joke.


About breaking words... IMAO you must be shock by Israel's way to Nukes and their doctrine... arent you ?

Well my dear you should read materials and other stuff about Iran from that site, where Iran said, that they bought  most stuff for their  Nuclear program on black market.

And simply math say... if iranian were able to buy sutch things 5+ years ago... then IMAO US must be full of dirty bombs


i guess you are one of those who belive that iranians drive camels and dreaming about blowing US right ?

Look its simple to me. I trust Isreal to not give their nukes out to terrorists. I don't trust Iran to do the same.

I know it's 2005 but I am still not a mind reader, you said it sarcsticaly then you get a sarcastic answer. Hmmm Iran black market I wonder who it came from...Pakistan would be my guess. Not that any of that matters on what I said to you above.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
because reactors whitch they bought from russian need heavy water.  Also reactors whitch use light water are weaker.
Anyway im wondering why nobody offer them complete know how with light water.
Since they want NP badly , they will not give it up untill they will have similary soloution for similary price.

Does it make sense ?

No. Only 1 reason to choose heavy water reactors over light. It gives you the ability to make nukes.

[lada]

Originally posted by Raider179
No. Only 1 reason to choose heavy water reactors over light. It gives you the ability to make nukes.

aha ... realy ? can you post some link to back it ... ?

im afraid that you have no clue about this theme

Iran has stated that the IR-40 will be used for research and development, radioisotope production, and training. One main advantage of a heavy water reactor is the low absorption factor of heavy water (D2O) over other moderators. This translates into a larger number of isotopes being produced to satisfy the increasing isotope requirements in the medical and agricultural industries.

source
http://www.firstwatchint.org/IR40.htm

[bustr]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
god help us all...
since the holy Israel is mentioned here i think this fits here well,
Matthew 26:52 "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".

Problem with scripture is using it's phrases completely out of context to the full story leading into a given passage. Do your scholorship:

http://www.piedmontfreethoughtassociation.org/Matt26_52.html

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
aha ... realy ? can you post some link to back it ... ?

im afraid that you have no clue about this theme



source
http://www.firstwatchint.org/IR40.htm

Using your source.

IR-40 is expected to produce 40MW thermal power, using a heavy water plant to supply its moderator and coolant.

There are light water reactors listed on that page that produce 40 MW. So now you are saying they need heavy water for isotopes for agriculture? What happened to the "they need it for power"


Also from your source...

The IR-40 heavy water research reactor is significant because it produces high quality plutonium, the most important component for a compact, nuclear device.


Western light water reactors which have been offered produce as much  electricity than this IR-40. If not more. I cant find if 40MW is the same as 1500MWe but I gotta fly. will discuss it further.

[Raider179]

Light water reactors can produce an abundance of power. On par with Heavy water reactors. So there goes that idea of yours about its just for power. Also Russia built a lightwater reactor so there is no reason they couldnt build one for Iran.

While LWRs use lowly enriched uranium for fuel, a material that is unsuitable for building nuclear weapons from, the kind of fuel that Monju breeds and that eventually will provide its own fuel, is *identical* to weapons grade plutonium, the material nuclear warheads are made from.

Monju was a breeder reactor in japan. No point in it just to show the LWR cant be used for nukes.

[lada]

Originally posted by Raider179

There are light water reactors listed on that page that produce 40 MW. So now you are saying they need heavy water for isotopes for agriculture? What happened to the "they need it for power"

 

be so kind please and go back to that quote and read 1st sentese again.

Stop thinking what im trying to saw and read once more again what i posted. you may find your answer.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
hehe i just found this in other article on same news site.



its so hard to belive that Iran doesnt need Nuclear power plant isnt it ?

Their energy demands 30 years ago were covered by 20 PP .. yet some people still dont understand why they want NPP so much.

This implies it.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lada
be so kind please and go back to that quote and read 1st sentese again.

Stop thinking what im trying to saw and read once more again what i posted. you may find your answer.

I used the source you posted.

not sure what you are saying so please clarify. Making people figure out what you are asking instead just asking is a waste of both our times.

And you never did answer up for the power question. Here I will retype it for you.

Why would Iran not take the deal that involved the light water reactors?

You answered they dont provide as much power. That is not true.

In fact the reactor you linked to was actuall way less powerful than any current light water reactors. Then you posted a quote that had something to do with isotopes for agriculture.

[Eagler]

hehehe

mother russia doesn't even know where it's own nuclear materials are ... yeah, that's an airtight deal there with Iran...

no worries, if it needs attention, Israel will handle it when the time comes ....

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Eagler
hehehe

mother russia doesn't even know where it's own nuclear materials are ... yeah, that's an airtight deal there with Iran...

no worries, if it needs attention, Israel will handle it when the time comes ....

yep, I know where these are going....

Clarke: I can't explain anything, Alex. I'm just not aware of any changes that may be under consideration.

Q: But -- and I'm not suggesting there is a change. There is a sale that's been announced, a thousand JDAMs, to Israel. And it's at a time when the United States industry is working overtime, triple shifts, to get JDAMs back into the U.S. arsenal. So why, at this point when the U.S. is, you know, trying to, I think, build something like 12,000 of them, would you divert a thousand off to some other country

Clarke: The first part, again, I just don't think it's appropriate for us to talk about from here. The second part, in terms of making sure our people have the resources, the equipment, the ammunition that they need, I am absolutely confident that's being taken care of

DoD News Briefing - ASD PA Clarke and Gen. Rosa

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by bustr
Do your scholorship:

This author (even i dont know him) have his own idea i dont agree with.
Thanks anyway for the link.