Author Topic: Arrest mistake (Read 4800 times)

Del · « **Reply #135 on:** March 08, 2005, 10:29:10 PM »

Yes and No.... to many If's whats and or buts...
Everything is case by case. Do I have a witness that doesn't want to talk about a child rape? I will sit there and stare at them for 8hrs then. No civil court is going to nail me on that one but, if they witnessed a shop lifter, not a chance.

There is very little black and white, lots of grey area and all officers must be able to use what tools they have to make a call.

Tweedy bird,
Like I have said before, a arrest is only, only after I have pressed charges,, If I give you a parking ticket, it is an arrest.

Ok, If I pick you up for DUI, I have you in custody, you are now being DETAINED!!! We go to the jail and I do my paperwork, you are given a blood test or breathilizer or what ever. You are in a holding cell while I do my paper work. You are in jail but, IT IS NOT PUBLIC RECORD YET! I must do my job before it goes public. If I release to the press that you are in jail, I'm sure you would be upset if I was to release you with no charges pressed. (neg. blood test or something).
Once I decided that you are DUI, then I will file charges against you. Now, you are arrested. Now you are public record.

This is that last that I shall respond, All departments, states, countys, townships and cities have differant rules and laws. We don't live in China, people don't just disppear like they do in some 1970's movie. If you think that they are to tough on someone, move to Mexico. The system there will be much more to your liking.

Stay safe everyone.

Maverick · « **Reply #136 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:25:00 PM »

Del,

He's trolling. He's been called on it by folks who have been there and done it. Another posted the court decision on it. He just has his little ego stroke thread and will milk it for everything he can. You can't change his mind, best to ignore him.

Del · « **Reply #137 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:26:48 PM »

I see that...

Later Bro

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #138 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:27:23 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Thats why no precedents have been posted, and thats why "detainment" is preferred over "detention" - too many bad Japanese-American memories associated with the latter.

Ah - but I forgot - law abiding Republicans don't use euphemisms like "detainment" to hide things like "detention."

'Relocation Center' was the official term for Japanese American camps of WW2. 'Internment Camp' is also used.

This was done by Executive Order 9066, instituted by FDR, a noted non-Republican.

Canada also 'relocated' Japanese Canadians to camps in BC.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #139 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:39:30 AM »

>>He just has his little ego stroke thread and will milk it for everything he can. You can't change his mind, best to ignore him.
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Yea either that or you could be wrong. But you're the one who is stuck on ego - I don't know what thats about. It seems personal or that your percieved authority is challenged. And please don't shift into drama queen mode. I'm not mocking your injuries if you ever were a police officer, or security guard or whatever.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #140 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:54:38 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>He just has his little ego stroke thread and will milk it for everything he can. You can't change his mind, best to ignore him.
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Yea either that or you could be wrong. But you're the one who is stuck on ego - I don't know what thats about. It seems personal or that your percieved authority is challenged. And please don't shift into drama queen mode. I'm not mocking your injuries if you ever were a police officer, or security guard or whatever.

You may stop posting now. We have to wait another day for fresh puppies to be born.

Karaya

TweetyBird · « **Reply #141 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:12:53 AM »

Well its not just about puppies. I get sick of people posting as an authority under a pseudonym. Who knows? They might think they're a cop because they have 147 back issues of "Detective" or the first 10 seasons of "Cops" on DVD or worked mall security 25 years ago. Who knows? But I'm not paying homage to so presumed authority unless I see a real name where I can check the authority. "I'm a cop and I say you're wrong"

Well I call BS

Martlet · « **Reply #142 on:** March 09, 2005, 11:54:09 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Well its not just about puppies. I get sick of people posting as an authority under a pseudonym. Who knows? They might think they're a cop because they have 147 back issues of "Detective" or the first 10 seasons of "Cops" on DVD or worked mall security 25 years ago. Who knows? But I'm not paying homage to so presumed authority unless I see a real name where I can check the authority. "I'm a cop and I say you're wrong"

Well I call BS

Funny. We called BS on you and you launched into a tirade about not providing personal information.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #143 on:** March 09, 2005, 12:12:18 PM »

Er why don't you quote the "tirade." It pretty much says what I said in my last post, i.e., that its ridiculous to post as an authority under a psuedonym. But, I get it - you cant think of an argument so call my post a "tirade." Why not call it a whine or liberal babble? How can I ever combat such sophisticated rhetoric?

"His argument is wrong because its a tirade."
"Mine is right because I agree with it"

So goes another day at the remedial debate society...

Martlet · « **Reply #144 on:** March 09, 2005, 12:19:34 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Er why don't you quote the "tirade." It pretty much says what I said in my last post, i.e., that its ridiculous to post as an authority under a psuedonym. But, I get it - you cant think of an argument so call my post a "tirade." Why not call it a whine or liberal babble? How can I ever combat such sophisticated rhetoric?

"His argument is wrong because its a tirade."
"Mine is right because I agree with it"

So goes another day at the remedial debate society...

Here's the "tirade". In the same post you refuse to give out personal information to back up your claim, you demand it of him. Hello, hypocrisy? It's me, Tweety.

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Maveric, I'm not dancing around anything. You're asking for specific personal information that I won't give to you. What the hell is your expertise? You're a cop. So what? Your expertise is transport-period. Everything else is very gray including efforts to circumvent Miranda even if not stated. Efforts to circumvent Miranda are violations of Miranda (more specifically the the precedent set in Miranda v. Arizona ) - "well if you don't talk to me I'll put you in a cell with people who know what you've done" or "if you talk to me I'll help you" All that is hollywood BS. Both violate Miranda.

You are stating I'm assigning too much importance to Miranda, and I'm telling you Miranda is based on constitutional rights that do NOT have to be read to be in place. Miranda is the precedent - the RIGHTS are in the constitution. How is that dancing around what you've asked?

As far as as this board is concerned, my name is TweetyBird and my expertise is putty tats. Your expertise is either horses, cars or old tv shows as far as I'm concerned.

If you want to post as an authority, post under your real name where your credentials can be checked -not under some pseudonym.

Engine · « **Reply #145 on:** March 09, 2005, 12:24:21 PM »

oh snap, martlet totally owned tweety

TweetyBird · « **Reply #146 on:** March 09, 2005, 01:34:02 PM »

The difference he is attempting to post as a police officer, an authority on law enforcement. That may or may not be true. People pretend to be many things on this board. Maverick repeatedly tried to bring this to a credentials argument by repeatedly asking for my "expertise." After ignoring him a few times, I flat out told him I didn't intend to give out that information and why. Can we agree so far?

Yea, I could tell him I'm a former alderman for some made up town, but in means NOTHING unless I intend to use a real name. I don't so it would stupid to list my expertise .

Maverick seems to believe he's proven his credentials - he hasn't. I have no idea if he's a police officer, mall security, an eagle scout with 147 "Detective" magazines, or a dispatcher for an alarm company. A lot of folks call themselves cops on the net.

Even if he were a former police officer - so what? Police officers expertise is not law and prededent, its law enforcement. The procedures they follow are handed down by some dept lawyer.
Thats not to put down real police officers, but only to point out a police officer can not use his expertise to justify what is detainment and what is arrest. He and his handed down procedure may be struck as unconstitutional by a judge and probably rests on case specifics

Maverick seem bent on this being an ego thing. That makes me think he believes one can stroke their ego through a pseudonym. If someone was that nuerotic, I think they'd pick "Elvis" or "Anavar" over TweetyBird.

Sincerly,
James Hoffa

Engine · « **Reply #147 on:** March 09, 2005, 02:01:55 PM »

oh snap, tweety totally owned maverick.

Maverick · « **Reply #148 on:** March 09, 2005, 02:03:02 PM »

Tweety,

I have posted and listed my real name on this bbs before. I have also in this thread given you my jurisdiction that I worked in. Here is the thread where I posted the information you yourself are so afraid of divulging.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81826 It's not related to this thread in any way shape or form and is over a year old.

As far as my expertise goes, I have gone far further than you have at establishing credentials and knowledge of the subject.

You'd better stick to putty tats you will be far more believable in that area of "expertise". They would likely be more impressed with your "connection".

In the mean time, have a nice cup of STFU on me.

Del · « **Reply #149 on:** March 09, 2005, 02:32:07 PM »

Police officers expertise is not law and prededent, its law enforcement.

What a dork.... Where are you from, Mars or something. It is kinda hard to enforce the Law if we don't know anything about it. It seems that the only people around who don't know the law are Lawyers. They twist it and turn it everyway they can so it goes in their favor. If it wasn't for Lawyers, who know the law,, ack ack... we wouldn't have to fight for the Constitution all the time in the S.Court.
Get a Life and let it go. You not what you think you are, even if you did get a deploma from some dork university. If you haven't lived it, then you just don't know.

GOD I hate people.