Author Topic: British Airways 747 loses engine, Again (Read 1837 times)

Creamo · « **Reply #60 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:20:29 AM »

One more tidbit ETOPS or over water rules that get anal. My friend accidentally serviced both engines IDG's on a routine check, and so they had to fly from SJC down to L.A., keeping within the coast for an hour, till they could go over water to Hawaii. That's the rules.

Kinda makes the guy losing a entire engine actions suspect, huh?

Toad · « **Reply #61 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:26:14 AM »

But then a 747 isn't an ETOPS aircraft for obvious reasons.

As I said, I'm certain a US airline wouldn't have done what BA did. From the cockpit to VP Flight Ops, it would have been a unanimous "thumbs down".

That's why I'm interested in what our FAA has to say.

Creamo · « **Reply #62 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:32:48 AM »

Oops, got sidetracked, sorry 'bout that.

I do find it cool you flew a L-1011's though. Eastern? I worked at EME in Chattanooga in 89ish. Dash 8's and horribly maintained jetstreams.

Toad · « **Reply #63 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:35:09 AM »

Delta. S/O and F/O, they retired them before I could hold Captain. Man, I'd have LOVED to fly the left seat on that airplane.

I'm Boeing-biased, but I'd make an exception for the L-10. One sweet machine, nothing but fond memories of it.

cpxxx · « **Reply #64 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:36:29 AM »

Interesting, never actually realised there was a difference. It is the culture I suppose. But then again, for the likes of BA the nearest suitable might not be a jungle strip but Azerbijan or Lagos or Karachi or something.

I worked for a cargo airline, I don't actually remember any engine problems on the 727's but the good old L188's had one or two. I remember one limping into Dublin on three. We couldn't fix it so it was ferried to EMA only to lose another on the flight over. But then again cargo doesn't complain.

While I worked for the engine shop. One of our customers had a single 707. He was an arms dealer. The 707 lost one and they wanted to divert to DUB fully loaded as it were.

Permission was not granted, surprisingly enough.

Creamo · « **Reply #65 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:42:13 AM »

Ah, Atlanta based. Im slow. Knew it was Delta, just had to put in the Eastern plug. I flew a Eastern 757 in 89 and the captain was all over the PA saying it was the best, fastest ship on the planet. Pry was at the time.

LOL. It is the biggest **** I ever had to work on. I hate it.

Skydancer · « **Reply #66 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:43:46 AM »

Hey BA its time to open the chequebook and buy......

Chairboy · « **Reply #67 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:49:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Hey BA its time to open the chequebook and buy......

(A380)

Absolutely. I've heard that its computer simulated reliability is as good as the computer simulated flights it's made.

RIPLEY: How may drops is this for you, Lieutenant?
GORMAN: Thirty-eight... simulated.

Habu · « **Reply #68 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:49:54 AM »

How does an airline fly a new engine to a stranded plane?

Creamo · « **Reply #69 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:56:49 AM »

It's called a Semi trailer Habu. The airlines don't shut off when you have a ground breaking question.

Are you going to be stupid all day?

Chairboy · « **Reply #70 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:57:48 AM »

It's pretty cool, actually. I don't know about other planes, but the 747 has a hardpoint on one of the wings where you can mount an extra engine so you can fly it to an airport where the ailing plane is waiting. It looks pretty neat, you have what looks like a 5 engine 747, except of course the ferried engine is just windmilling.

Here's a pic:

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Originally posted by Creamo
It's called a Semi trailer Habu. The airlines don't shut off when you have a ground breaking question.

Are you going to be stupid all day?

Ha ha ha ha! Remember to use mouthwash, the taste of your foot in your mouth is hard to get out otherwise.

Skydancer · « **Reply #71 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:58:25 AM »

Hey Chairboy,absolutely, fly simulation its safer

Habu · « **Reply #72 on:** March 08, 2005, 12:05:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Creamo
It's called a Semi trailer Habu. The airlines don't shut off when you have a ground breaking question.

Are you going to be stupid all day?

Creamo it was a legit question. I once flew to Lagos and they were taking an engine down there to a plane that was stuck for some reason.

How do they do it? Do you know?

cpxxx · « **Reply #73 on:** March 08, 2005, 12:06:58 PM »

Tell the new boss, Willie Walsh, Skydancer, Just been appointed today. Did a good job on Aer Lingus until he got fed up with the government faffing around. Veeeerrry interesting to see what he does with BA. $20 to JFK anyone? And lots of job cuts.

If he buys A380's they'll have to do a good deal. But BA is a traditional Boeing airline.

Habu, you can get an engine to stricken aircraft in a couple of ways.
The 747 can actually carry a fifth engine inboard of the working engine on the left wing. That is quite common but as often as not the engine is ferried in the back of a cargo aircraft chartered for the purpose. Quite expensive in fact. For a 747 you can always three engine ferry while empty.

Of course there is always a semi trailer as creamo says, air ride suspension of course.

Edit wow that was quick I must type faster.

Habu · « **Reply #74 on:** March 08, 2005, 12:10:42 PM »

Thanks for the information.

I did not remember if they had an extra one hanging off the wing of if they had used 3 and used the fourth spot to hang the ferried engine. That is why I asked the question. It might have been another example of a legitimate time when flying on 3 is allowed.

I did remember that it was hanging on the wing so that is why I asked.

I guess they had 5 on that flight.