Is it "easier" to fight good pilots?

[mechanic]

thats what i was thinking Mars

who is this batfink that he speaks off??




by watching my limited moves and reacting to them this caused you (Tex) to have an advantage the next time around after the first fight. so yes i would say its easier to fight someone you 'know' rather than someone who has 'skillz' to some degree.

The way i read it was: Tex got shot in good fight with me one on one. close one.   then i was engaging two total noobs in spits or something and see tex coming back in. as i see Tex at my low 11 coming in fast i merge with another spit in my usual fashion, using the same reversal type merge i used on Tex. Tex then reads this perfectly as obviously his memory of it is fresh, and counters perfectly to end up 400 off my tail as i shoot the spit down. (if i remember correctly.)

i then try to lose him with some tight turns and rolls but he sticks perfectly on me, just out of gun range. I realise im not going to lose him easy and slow right down and go for a climbing spiral overshoot. But Tex has wised up after the last fight and blasts me good right in the head as we both stall at the top.

great fight was sent over 200 by both and S! from me to the victor.

You're a damn fine stick Tex, dont underestimate yourself.

in my mind the outcome would have been very different had Tex not been aware of A) what style i was using right then. and B)who exactly was flying the plane.





the only newbie i hate to encounter is the constant flat turner.

you pull up in merge only to find your opponent 2k below looking for you.

you dive in unseen and expect at least a counter, but he just goes round, and round and round.

If you stupidly try to follow him you will never catch him. you got to keep your advantage in these situations and expect poor flying.

I definitely kill better pilots faster, or they kill me.

neewbies are either easy kills within seconds or a damn pain in the butt

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by mars01
I thought this was about fighting good pilots.

 
Yeah if you call Bat a good pilot, you got a long road ahead:D j/k Bat!

Originally posted by lasersailor184
There's a lot to do with luck in how a fight comes out or how fast it ends.

Luck= practice meeting opportunity. I've been practicing with a really good pilot for about 3 solid months now. When I first started and would get  a chance to get a shot on him, I'd think it was just luck. Most the time, I'd just get my butt handed to me. Now, I can normally put up a good fight, get low % snapshots and even manage a kill from time to time( I still pretty much get beat like a little noob though:). Has my luck increased? No, it's just from the repeated atttempts(practice) I can push my plane harder and get around on maneuvers faster and maybe get a shot(opportunity). Just my point of veiw:D

[EN4CER]

I’ll have to agree with you TEX – Fighting someone of better skill usually brings about the best in someone. Your definitely on the edge of your chair – least I am. Fight someone of lesser skill and there is a tendency to enter the engagement flat and over confident. This can easily lead to mistakes.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SuperDud
Yeah if you call Bat a good pilot, you got a long road ahead:D j/k Bat!



Luck= practice meeting opportunity. I've been practicing with a really good pilot for about 3 solid months now. When I first started and would get  a chance to get a shot on him, I'd think it was just luck. Most the time, I'd just get my butt handed to me. Now, I can normally put up a good fight, get low % snapshots and even manage a kill from time to time( I still pretty much get beat like a little noob though:). Has my luck increased? No, it's just from the repeated atttempts(practice) I can push my plane harder and get around on maneuvers faster and maybe get a shot(opportunity). Just my point of veiw:D

Oh you guys think are really good, flying your little spitVs, doing your h HO merges.  Pffffft, next time I will bring my plane.  We will se who is the best then.      

http://falkrosenthal.de/download/sf_bilder/bird_o_p1.jpg

BRING IT ON

[frank3]

My opinion; a good pilot is not someone who shoots the most people down. but the one who can handle the most types of aircraft.
We can all shoot down someone in a spit, but it takes alot to become a 'good' pilot of the spit.

It's often those who have the most luck and menage to avoid getting shot

[SuperDud]

Looks like an La7 to me Dedalos hehehe

[Murdr]

Originally posted by lazs2
The only thing "unpredictable" is.... that you don't know the skill level till you engage...  
 

I get what Tex is saying, but I identify much better with lazs' statment.  The mistake for me that is hard not to make is flying the same way that works fine aginst 95% of pilots, only to realize too late that your engaging one of the 5%.

I like Sik's story.  I enjoy handing out that tactic when I get a chance.  Which is to set a pattern...then brake it.  It is fun to do both in E advantaged and disadvantaged situations.  Sometimes I go out of my way to telegraph what Im going to do to set the pattern.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by frank3
It's often those who have the most luck and menage to avoid getting shot

There is some luck on the part of whether your aginst that rare sharpshooter, but imo consistantly 'almost' getting shot is a fine artform.

[lasersailor184]

If the other guy (n00b LA7) runs, I consider that a win on my part.

[OIO]

I think what you're experiencing is 'good' players trying ACM on you in 'specialized' aircraft (aka Energy fighters).

When you face a pilot with poor skills, he will almost always be in a plane with exceptional performance...aka LA7, N1K, Ki84, F4U-C (for the cannon spray and pray).

Its in those planes that those with little skill that they pull off those crazy manouvers that make them 'difficult' in some cases.

Of course, there's also GOOD pilots who have learned how to abuse some of the things that give those planes the exceptional performance to their best advantage. Some may call it skill, I call it cheating... but theres some stuff you can pull with the N1K just by turning off the engine thats just unbelievable.

and yes, I dont play the game anymore so I dont mind having you peeps experience all the newbs and vets that will begin to experiment the engine off on the n1k exploit

enjoy

[TequilaChaser]

I  am in agreement with ya EN4CER, Murder you do it very welll like poetry when telegraphing and suckering in some foolish fool ( "ME" ROFL )

Laz had good  comment as well.

eagl,
you said:

Against a really good player, I can usually tell within a few seconds if I'm going to win, lose, or have to pull out all the stops to even survive.

you lost your mental picture if you get to thinking you have already lost or gonna have to pull out all stops to survive, by the way someone is flying or as you interpet their style.

eagl then you said:

In arena fighting I rarely have any reason to run so I usually give it 100% and try to win even when I think I'm outclassed, but even then a "long" fight with a talented player, regardless of if I win or lose, is usually shorter and more satisfying than dealing with a noob who can't do anything but HO and run, or flippety-flop back and forth.

My Advice or Opinion/comment would be never enter a fight with out thinking you are gonna win and be the last man  standing! PERIOD! once you even let a stinch of worry creep into your mind it breaks down your agressiveness.

I am not a all mighty cocky type individual nor do I act one, but I practice at every opportunity to keep my mindset as "I am unbeatable" "I Am Going TO Win Hands Down" STAY POSITIVE and Agressive all times! even if I am in a 3 or 4 on 1 situation and everyone around me knows I am going to die/be shot down in flames.

In my view or opinion,  letting just a taste of "maybe I will lose" or "maybe I can survive" slip in your mind ( my mind ) will get you killed faster!

I  was just using your thoughts eagl, not trying to pick on you.

Nothing is over til it is over ~S~

[United]

I've noticed this a lot over time as well Tex.  Back when I was a sprouting noob (well, still am now, but thats beside the point), I had many fights with some very good sticks; Estes and Wldthng to name two.

After fighting them a few times each, I began to realize what they were going to do.  In fact, I got to a point where I could predict how the fight was going to play out before it even began.  The only problem I faced was that I didn't know how to counteract each of their moves.

To put it into context, about 90% of the time, Estes would cut his throttle at about 2k out, drop flaps, and wait for the merge.  Just before we merged, he would use rudder and his stick to do a quick, rolling loop which is hard to describe in words.  If I wasnt dead right there,  I was most of the time below him and starting to stall out.  He, on the other hand, had some E and was above me.  What he usually did was make a flat circle and wait for me to stall out.  After I was falling down, in he swept and took me with ease.

I can tell you all day how he did his moves and what moves he would do and when, but I could never duplicate or counter them.

The good sticks always have a way to pick their moves and just do them better, plain and simple.

Sorry for the long post.  Most of this has been hit in other posts, but I got caught up in typing.

[Kweassa]

Sometimes, it does get pretty easy to predict what the better sticks are gonna do, because what they do is logical. For instance, when I meet good Spitfire or N1K pilots and swoop down to attack them, they would;

1) act as if they didn't see me
2) slightly rock wings
3) go into a slow turn
4) then suddenly engage the classic 'turning barrel roll' overshoot

 and etc etc.

 If someone has enough experience, when he sees 1) and 2), 3) and 4) are pretty much predictable sequences. Ofcourse, that doesn't mean I can counter everymove, or I'm as good as those pilots. It only means I've been suckered that way so many times that after a while, you can see what they are doing.

 
 On the other hand, sometimes, fighting n00bs can actually get harder than one thinks, since they do illogical things. How is anyone gonna predict what their enemy will do, when the enemy himself doesn't know what he's doing?

Of course, there's also GOOD pilots who have learned how to abuse some of the things that give those planes the exceptional performance to their best advantage. Some may call it skill, I call it cheating... but theres some stuff you can pull with the N1K just by turning off the engine thats just unbelievable.

 On a side note, we can now visually confirm (at least, indirectly) if the engine is off or not. I was fighting a F4U-1C in a 109G in some heavy low-speed scissoring action when suddenly, a short smoke trail fumed from the Hog.

 I didn't hit him even once, so I was confused... and then I realized that he just turned his engine on.

 T'was a pretty cool thing to see.

[Halo]

And what makes it special fun is occasionally the best sticks get careless and sometimes the worst sticks get lucky.

Circus maxim:  You're only as good as your last performance.

[ALF]

The true sign of a great pilot is when you get tricked or rused into fighting on thier terms.  The P-38 pilot who uses his zoom and lack of torque in a way you fail to notice until commited, the spit pilot who makes the predicatble turns until that one moment when in your blind spot, the F6F pilot who comes at you from an oblique angle, hiding his very high energy state and you dont realize you cant outrun him till its too late.

These are the ways of the top guns....Ive been on the giving and the recieving end of these tactics, and doing them is difficult, mastering them is a commitment most are unable to make.