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Offline JB73

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2005, 02:15:57 PM »
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He can still return it if he can make a better deal..

JB73 your avatard is driving me crazy. I'm constantly thinking why is this girl doing this motion while laughing and clapping.
LOL i know as much as you do.

nopoop posted it in a thread and i liberated it to my avatard! hehehe


engine, as far as the 5xxx series, do a search here for 5700 5790 whatever numbers, there are a bunch of threads about them.

basically IIRC they just dont pack a huge punch that say a ti4800 does over an MX card.

there are reports of a Ti4800 getting better FR than the FX series in some cases.

now thats when they came out... they were alot of money for nt alot of product.

in the link i posted the 5700 still benchmarks above the ATI 9800, so it is not a terrible card. it just isn't the best out there.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2005, 02:35:46 PM »
Well I slammed it because I just got a brand new one that won't function properly. If you've got $150.00 to spend Engine it seems you can buy a much better card than the 5700...I know I'm going to. !

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2005, 03:02:03 PM »
If I play my hand right, it'll be my girlfriend's $150 :)

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2005, 03:24:49 PM »
Isn't that avatard from Freddy got fingered?

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2005, 05:31:59 PM »
The Nvidia FX series cards take a hit in DX 9 games because they have issues with texture rendering vs the ATI cards setup.  This is less true than it used to be with the right drivers, but there are certain inherent hardware limitations the FX cards cant overcome.  The biggest slowdown of a 5700 vs a 5900 is the memory bus width.  The FX 5900 cards have a 256 bit memory bus, whereas all the other FX5xxx cards have a 128 bit bus.  Think of it as bandwidth.  Two ways to make the bandwidth increase are to increase the bus size, and increase the memory speed.  Technically, you can push memory fast enough to pass up slower memory with a wider bus.  In reality its not likely.  

As far as the Nvidia vs ATI diff, heres the breakdown.  Its in the pipes.

If you look at the graphics card charts at Toms Hardware, it shows a Pipeline configuration.  4x1, 4x2, 8x1, 16x1, etc.  This controls Pixel Shading.  If you have a 4x2 setup, you have 4 pipelines and 2 texturing units.  This means you can draw 4 pixels per clock, and perform 2 texture accesses per clock.

The 5900 cards show at Toms as 8x1.  But really they are either 4x2 or 4x1.  They are unable to single texture at the higher 8 "pipelines" like the 9800 and 9700 cards can.  So when it needs to single texture, it drops to 4x1 mode which is half what the ATI cards can do.  When the app calls for multitexturing, the 5900 will run just as well as the 9800 (the 9800 runs at 8x1 or 4x2, depending on need).  Dont ask me why it is this way, I wish it weren't.  

That said, I use a 5900 and I get excellent frame rates most of the time.  I bought a card that was labelled as a 5900SE (low end for this card) which turned out to be an OEM 5900XT (mid range for this card).  I then overclocked it very easily to 5900U speeds(top range for this card).  Considering it has the wider memory bus too, I'm pretty happy with it.

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2005, 05:40:20 PM »
Just so you know.  Most of my notes on this come from a post on the forums at AnandTech, but I've lost my link to it.  I'll search my browser at home and see if I can find the link.  It was a very good writeup that explained alot about how video cards do what they do.

And as for getting cards that dont work, thats the fault of the manufacturer, not the brand of video card.  Dont blame Nvdia or ATI if you bought a bad card, blame the company that built it.  Or the UPS guy that was having a bad day and took it out on your package.  Or the postal guy who stopped at the shooting range to squeeze off a few rounds and used your package for target practice.

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2005, 05:56:49 PM »
Ah, I see. Thanks for the help.  At this point I can't find anything above a 5700 within my price range, so I guess I'll let the order stand and upgrade again once funds become available. :)

Unless the 6600 is better. Didn't see it on Tom's scoring roundup and was too busy today to go looking for it.  Hell. My card is ordered, just gonna live with it.  Thanks again all, I appreciate the help.

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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2005, 08:03:06 PM »
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Unless the 6600 is better.
MUCHO better!

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040812/geforce_6600-04.html


compare these to the milti-card link i made

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040907/geforce_6600-03.html#3dmark_2003

it benchmarks about double the 5700, AND has none of the DX problems mentioned.

if a 6600 is out there same price GET IT!
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2005, 01:34:42 AM »
Before I'd buy a 6600 I'd get a low end 6800.  Twice the pipes, not even half the problems.  6600 and 6200 still have alot of teething issues that arent totally worked out yet.  Otherwise, live with the 5700 for now, and save up for a 6800U.  The 5700 will fly on a Athlon 64 system.  You probably wont get all the "eye candy" and  you can probably max out the 5700's capabilities but it will get you by until you can buy something better down the road.

When you get your card, go here for tuning tips


http://3dgpu.com/tweaking.php

It will help you get the most out of it.

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2005, 03:08:24 PM »
Great news! A situation with my girlfriend was rectified (my sleeping at an ex-girlfriend's house apparently was ap roblem for her... what a whacko), and she'll be paying for a 6600 GT.  With luck it will arrive on Tuesday, ordered an XFX model off Newegg.

SoA, I did check out some 9800s but the price was above $200 on all I saw, iirc, and that's out of her league. Hell, from the performance indicated on the 6600 GT, I think it'll last me a good long while.

Thanks for kicking me til I woke up, boys. :)

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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2005, 08:49:29 AM »
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I've got 24 hours to cancel my order... Crap.
Arrgh.  Err. Bah.

Time to do some research.  Any more information would be greatly appreciated. :)
Edit: Specifically, what are the problems with the 5xxx line?


Keep it.

I picked one of these up for $129... the 256M. Some of the 5700 series, 'LE's I believe" are underclocked and have a gpu that can actually run much faster... mine came clocked at 250MHZ, but the gpu is actually the same as the ultra that runs at 400MHZ. I used "coolbits" and cranked it from 250 to 420 without any issues. The RAM was clocked at 400 and runs stable at 520.

It performs much better than the 128M 9600 I had, which is actually a "9550"

For the $$, you wont be disappointed.

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2005, 09:06:47 AM »
Thanks for the advice, but I've ordered a card which according to benchmarks, will outperform any 5xxx series card by a large margin.  Best of all, my girlfriend got is as a gift for me. If she's paying, might as well go splurge. ;)

I did notice the 5xxx LE models had a much lower clockrate, but wasn't aware they could be overclocked so drastically. That's pretty interesting, I wonder what nvidia thinks of that. Do they think the vast majority of users don't know how to use coolbits?