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Offline Toad

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If it ain't Boeing I ain't going...
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2005, 02:58:59 PM »
Post your addy. I'll send you a "Jr. Detective" badge.

I'm glad you found it; I had never seen it.

I you.
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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2005, 08:03:37 PM »
Nothing, I'm the same as always.

If his article is correct and I see no reason to doubt it (Boeing is based in Seattle; I'm sure the paper did the research), he showed me something I didn't know.

So, I salute him for furthering my education. I wish we had more posters that could do that. ;)
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« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2005, 01:30:04 AM »
Five part story in Seattle Times; I'm sure Toad finds it interesting to read.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/local/737/part01/

I hope that idiotic slogan "If it ain't Boeing I ain't going..." can be buried now.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2005, 01:35:47 AM by Staga »

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« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2005, 03:08:58 AM »
I suppose this is a good case where a powerful ATPA is essential. I know it's been discussed to death before, but this reinforces my opinion that the industry was never qualified to be deregulated in the form we now see. It could use a better regulation model based on the premise that air travel is a necessary national and international infrastructure with equal pillars of safety (aircraft and crew), stability (crew, routes and scheduling) and technical advancement balanced with costs.

Yes, it's possible to do, but not probable, as long as people, and their turf, are involved.

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« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2005, 08:10:46 AM »
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Originally posted by Staga
Five part story in Seattle Times; I'm sure Toad finds it interesting to read.
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Yeah, I do. Thanks for finding it.


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I hope that idiotic slogan "If it ain't Boeing I ain't going..." can be buried now. [/B]


I doubt it. See... 707, 727, 747, 757, 767, 777 are all outstanding airplanes. Pilots love 'em.

The 737 is a great airplane too... amazing to fly, great handling. Yes, it had a rudder problem as noted. Yes, Boeing "stonewalled" on the problem.

The REAL problem is here:

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"The NTSB allows itself to become fixated on finding a cause, and the FAA readily caves in to political pressures. Meanwhile, Boeing has one eye on litigation and nobody is paying attention to things that should be done to prevent the next accident."


The regulatroy agency, the FAA, should have made Boeing fix it as soon as the realized the PCU was involved in the problem. Early on I do remember them focusing on the yaw damper and that was quite plausible. The main thing was that Boeing departed from it's "belt and suspenders" engineering style when they went with ONE PCU for the 737.  I think that's the root of the problem. The other thing is the inspection/overhaul cycle. As I said, Delta went to a much shorter timetable for inspection/overhaul and we didn't have the problems other airlines had.

As for Boeing, I still firmly believe they build the best airliners in the world. So does my brother and he's flying A-320's right now.
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