Author Topic: HiTech: PLEASE change the total BS 5" puffy rubbish (Read 2974 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2005, 03:28:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
If he does it will likley be because people commented on their experiance with it.

Like the million other times they've done that? I'm pretty sure HTC knows about the capabilities of the five inch gun since they designed it that way.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Howitzer · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2005, 03:31:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well of course it's silly and dumb. But it's part of the game, and that's that. You can choose to get worked up about it and blow a gasket, or you can accept that it's there and deal with it accordingly. I consider dying to five inch guns the equivalent of crashing to the desktop. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and there's not much you can do to avoid it when it does.

Maybe one day HTC will implement friendly fire into the five inch gun equation, and if they do, we'll all adjust to that too.

-- Todd/Leviathn

OK, now you are talking! If friendly fire is enabled, I have a list of names of folks on the rooks who aren't taking off of that carrier while I'm around!

1. 616Fubar
2. hub
3. heretic
4. Spade
5. Shawk
And so help me if I find shane around there!!!

BTW, my list is not made out of anger, just the need to be a pain in the prettythang

SuperDud · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2005, 04:19:53 PM »

What I find sad about the SOME of the guys who man the 5" guns is this. They start in the air, you vs him with a few others around in a small furball. You shoot him down several times in any plane he tries. Realizing he can't compete, the pathetic person has to jump into the 5" gun to get his "revenge". I've also been hit by manned ack while having CV group just on the horizon(can only see the wake trails). And it's normally the guy I just shot down. That kind of use for the 5" is pretty sad IMO.

Aubrey · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2005, 04:23:37 PM »

I rank puffy ack up there with divebombing Lancs and B24s Part of the game.

Urchin · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2005, 05:00:09 PM »

Don't hold your breath re: changing the 5 inch guns.... they pay their money just like you do... and there are more of them.

Kweassa · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2005, 05:30:13 PM »

Why's jumping into a 5" to kill someone who killed you 'pathetic'?

To me, that's more like 'stupid' on the part of the one who shoots down the same guy over and over again near a CV, because anybody would know that getting shotdown again and again would be frustrating, and that guy would be jumping into a 5" flak and shoot at you.

And yet, people still linger around, and then get shot down by 5" guns, and then complain about it?

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2005, 05:31:05 PM »

ok, so a torrade of opinions.

i take them all and by the way, im not angry more frustrated.

I dont know if anyone actually bothered watching the film, but if you did, you will see how ridiculous it is.

The A6M is literally 50yrds from me in a tight scissor or whatever when the shell burst inbetween us.

Only thing i object to is being able to kill me but no damage to his friendly.

Yonoi must be pissed because he was robbed of his hard earned kill, and I am pissed because he was robbed of his hard earned kill.

this isnt about 'oh no its another puffy ack whine'. this is about total lack of respect for the two people engaging in combat.

like the ref in a boxing match suddenly smacking one of the guys in the head with a bat.

seriously, there was no need to shoot.

just total rubbish and pathetic 'air quake' mentality.

I wasnt there for warbirds, or Air warrior, but i think it is possible i play this game for the same reasons you all did back then.

the glory of the kill, the thrill of the chase, the passion of the fight.

to have such emotions blasted away by these means is just ludicrous.

OK. so i dont mind if i am hit by the puffy ****, but surely for it to kill me and inflict no damage on a guy who is 50 yrds from me is just absurd.

whoever said 'dont fight one on one by the CV.....

he was a CV based zeke, i was a land based spit. stands to reason that we would meet somewhere between CV and base.

anyhow, lock the thread, ban me, do nothing about it as usual but i stll call BS in a major way.

i'll forget about it........untill the next time.

Kweassa · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2005, 05:37:42 PM »

Like the great wizards say;

"It's only BS when you're shot down"

mechanic · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2005, 05:44:45 PM »

did you watch the film, oh wise man?

and no, your wizards are not that smart.

if it had been the other way around and he was blasted from 7k while i was struggling to kill him i would chew the ear off the dweeb who did it.

SuperDud · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2005, 06:27:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Why's jumping into a 5" to kill someone who killed you 'pathetic'?

Mostly b/c he isn't talented enough to get you in the air so he has to resort to this tactic. It's just sad! When I've met someone who clobbers me, my 1st thought isn't to get in a lazer guided 5" gun and get a shot near him to kill him. My thought is to either:
1) Avoid him and go after someone else
2) go elsewhere to fight
3) ask the person for advice and/or ask to go to DA for practice
4) lastly, up and try again! You might lose your virtual plane and hurt your all important score. But maybe through filming and fighting him you could learn something!

I've never gotten any enjoyment from hoppin into a 5" guns to kill someone who has just killed me. Maybe people such as yourself Kweassa get enjoyment from it and that's fine, to each their own. Lately when it happens to me I take it as a compliment. They had to jump into their little lazer gun b/c it was the only way to kill me.

Also, it's not always by the carrier. Several times I've died 3k+ away. The guy will single you out before the dive bombing lancs 2k out from CV just to help his bruised ego.

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Originally posted by Kweassa
To me, that's more like 'stupid' on the part of the one who shoots down the same guy over and over again near a CV, because anybody would know that getting shotdown again and again would be frustrating, and that guy would be jumping into a 5" flak and shoot at you.

Well if trying to fight other aircraft in a game based on air combat is stupid... well then I'm stupid:aok

Elfie · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2005, 06:30:00 PM »

I think the dumbest part of puffy ack is when you take damage from friendly guns. For instance, chasing an enemy over your own cv and puffy ack is shooting at the guy you are chasing....but YOU take hits....just plain retarded.

mechanic · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2005, 06:39:35 PM »

to be honest Elfie, i think this is good.

stupid on behalf of the virtual AI gunners, but at least its fair.

the 'non-killshooter' fact of puffy ack is a joke, as shown in the film (once again i expect most people just replied with the standard 'anti-whine' remarks intead of watching the film.)

i checked again and the range counter shows 58yrds at the moment of impact.

thats one lucky guy who sits 60yrds from an 88mm burst and is not hurt by it.

friendly fire should be something you must avoid.

we've seen the horrific aftermath in many a global conflict.

at the very least it should do no damage to the enemy if the friendly was hit also.

second best would be that the 5" gun is disabled for 10 miona after a friendly tag, and the perp is locked from puffy ack for a period of time.

best option i can see is that both planes are damaged by the ack AND the perp is booted from the gun for a week.

are we really not mature enough to use some disipline?

Stang · « **Reply #27 on:** March 16, 2005, 07:35:26 PM »

5" ack should kill anything near it, friendly or foe. Or maybe some kind of 5" killshooter should be implemented... if you damage a friendly you get kicked out of the gun.

Leayme · « **Reply #28 on:** March 16, 2005, 07:39:39 PM »

Only problem I can see with a killshooter setting on the 5 inch guns is the gauranteed death after the 1,2 or 3 rd shot, since in my experience a friendly always enters my firing solution, especially when you have some enemy plane coming in at wave top height trying to torpedo the ship or they are lifting to try and intercept a group of bombers incoming and no matter how good a watch you keep, one minute the sky is clear, next they are there.

Inact the killshooter and you might as well remove the guns, because they would become useless and it isn't all that hard to sink the Battle Group as it is now, restrict the guns and you probably won't have any furballs near a Battle Group, because they will be sunk even quicker than they are now.

I do agree that both planes should suffer damage or get shot down (would change how the game was approached), but it comes back to the furball issue, if you do it near a Battle Group, then someone is going to try and shoot you down and I think it is relatively immaterial that it was someone you just shot down.

Just like spawn camping, if you keep spawning with a tiger watching the hole and complain about getting killed......well you know

Stang · « **Reply #29 on:** March 16, 2005, 07:47:58 PM »

Friendly ack would never be firing in real life with friendly planes anywhere near the solution.