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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2005, 06:15:56 PM »
KEWL,

Even if I don't get a dime, If I cost them a few grand in lawyer fees it will almost make up for it.

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2005, 07:53:28 PM »
Gunslinger,

You may dismiss this, but I recommend letting it go.  Get your money back and move on.  Spending time and energy trying to 'get even' with Sears (or anyone else for that matter) is part of your life spend on nothing.  Spend more time with your son and wife and doing the things you enjoy.

Revenge makes for some pretty good movies, but it is a waste of time and effort.  Being a Christian, I can relate that to what "love your enemy" is all about.  Sears won't be hurt by your efforts as much as you will hurt yourself.   However, if you have documented overdraft bills due to Sears mistake, then ask them for compensation through a letter.

Focus on getting out of consumer debt.  Consumer (credit) debt is the real 'demon' in your financial life.  Yes, Sears screwed up.  Forgive them and move on.


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Malta

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2005, 08:09:22 PM »
You can probably get the documented expenses that they cost you with out much problem, but remember they have a bunch of lawyers on staff that they have to pay anyway.

If they feel that you are just trying to teach them a lesson they might just stonewall you and then you will be suffering the legal fees.

This aint the 70's consumer protection laws are not what they used to be:)

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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2005, 09:30:56 PM »
If its any consolation, I screwed Sears, or more aptly allowed them to screw themselves out of a microwave about 20 years ago.

My wife (at the time) and I went and picked out a good one on sale for a good price and when we told the sales fella "that one" he said he didn't have one in stock at the time, but he could give me a loner (different model, but comparable and brand new) till they got some in stock. They would deliver it and I could pay when it showed up. I was thinkin that these guys are great!!! I lived almost an hour drive from the store, so I asked him if there would be any charges for such a long delivery drive. No, none.

About 3 months later and a couple phone calls, I get told that my model has been discontinued, but that they would get me the next better one soon...it was out of stock as well.

Another 2 or 3 months goes by, I haven't paid for anything and have a free microwave...I had stopped calling and pretty much forgotten about the whole thing.

BAMBAMBAM on the door...Delivery guy says he's here to pick up a microwave. I point him to the kitchen. Guy picks it up and walks out. I'm thinkin...there goes my free microwave. 2 minutes later, BAMBAMBAM, the guys back with my brand spankin nib top of the line micro. He unpacks it, plugs it in and leaves. Hardly says a word, I reciprocate. Never get a bill nor a phone call.

I like FREE!

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2005, 09:09:12 AM »
Yeah untill you get slapped with 5 years of 20% interest for the unpaid delivery. :aok

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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2005, 10:10:35 AM »
UPDATE:

I talked to a call center manager (very politely I might add) and she told me to make sure my bank actually accepts the check and to have them fax sears proof.  After that she will have their credit Dept. "jump through hoops" and cut me a check overnight to include and fees I may have incured because of their error.

I called my bank and since the check came in on a friday and over drew my account by $232 they might actually bounce it by this afternoon.  That IMHO would be the best case scenerio because I would still bill sears for all the fees and I would have my money back imediatly.  

So the Little guy 1 Sears 0 so far!  :)

Well maybe not because I am still broke for the week and I'm not going to be able to buy that shop compressor that I wanted.  (still can't decide between that or a new smoker)

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2005, 10:30:01 AM »
Gun,

You might want to hold off on non essential stuff until you build up a better warchest.  I'm not your financial advisior but I would suggest setting aside 10 percent of your income and leaving it untouched to avoid such pain in the future.

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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2005, 10:43:22 AM »
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Gun,

You might want to hold off on non essential stuff until you build up a better warchest.  I'm not your financial advisior but I would suggest setting aside 10 percent of your income and leaving it untouched to avoid such pain in the future.


Beleive it or not that is my warchest.  I keep $1500 in my checking account at all times.  Anything left over after that is put into savings after bills are paid.  This is something new I've been doing so my savings account wont really help with cash flow problems as of yet.

As far as retirment investing goes.  I put $50 in a mutual fund that I have.  I have what's call the TSP (thrift savings program) at work wich currently 7% of my income goes into.  Each time I get a "cost of living" rais I raise that amount by half of the raise.  Currently my TSP is doing well and making money with the funds I have it in.  

I'm not a financial genious or anything but I am Human.  I find that I do have to "reward" myself every other month for being financially responsible.  I don't go overboard and I make sure I budget for it.  Currently I was saving up for a new compressor ($134) or a new smoker ($148)  I've learned the lesson not to live beyond my means, and If I can't pay cash for it then I don't need it.

A friend of mine gave me some good advice once.  He told me if you see somthing you want (material wise) save up the cash for it untill you have enough to buy it outright.  If by the time you save up for it, you still want it...get it.  He say's half the time he changes his mind or his priorties are different.  Either way his cash flow isn't suffering.

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2005, 12:10:13 PM »
Wow. I need Sears to wipe out my bank account. My overdraft would dissapear and I would be debt free! How do you get them to do it again!?:lol :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2005, 01:40:55 PM »
Guns,
AOL, Chase, Citi, Sears, Verizon (just to name a few) are the big sucktion machines clearing ordinary folks' pockets (right after the moment they have cleared your wallet).

Due to the (intentional?) software glitch (or maybe just due to my involuntary mistake) AOL was charging my credit card for two separate accounts at the same time to the same residential address. They did it for 5 or 6 months irrespectively of my protests and multiple letters both to my credit card and AOL itself. Finally, when it became obvious to me that they are playng dirty games, I just refused to deal with AOL anymore. My credit card (after several long calls and at least two of my letters) stopped paying wrongful charges, but probably not before driving the problem into the deadend where they could also rise their own interest rate because AOL sold my "debt" (about $250. including "late payment" charges) to some
agency.
That agency resold it to another agency. At last some wizards sold this "debt" to my bank. All these institutions for several years (!) were showering me with the letters  damanding the money (never payng attention to the copies of my letters to AOL and my credit card from which any 3rd grade student can figure out that there was evident AOL accounting scheme directed at the small guy).
Now I had to write a personal letter to the general manager of my bank with a simple threat to publicly disclose all this dirty scheming. That letter worked, but not for long.

I send in time my personal check from my bank account to my credit card. It was something like $16.71 (sixteen and 71/100dollars). But in about a month I received my credit card statement with the late fee. It so happened that at that time I had been working overtime
six days a week for several months. My head was far from being a computer, so only after another month (two months' period for my claims having expired) I found out the gross (intentional?) mistake made by my bank : instead of 'sixteen' dollars they only paid SIX.
As the result, my credit card sharply rose the interest rate, and following it ... my bank rose its interest on my overdraft reserve. The sad joke is the following : both these institutions were owned by the same old family of financial moguls.

But the AOL had its revenge too.
Last year I started to rent my friend's apartment because he split for the greener pastures of the Garden State.
So when changing the name on the phone account I was asked if I would like to have DSL service. My stupid answer was that I did not need it because it's quite enough for me to have my dial-up account. That was a perfect AOL trap. But who knew it ?
This more that funny AOL institution charged me through Verizon (!) for non-existent AOL service for two months even without me having
their account for more than five years. I was able to stop this financial hooliganism with great difficulty because Verizon reps kept on insisting that they have nothing to do with AOL even though the fictitious AOL charges appeared on Verizon bill (!).

My proposal : any public service company (be it transportation, utilities, financial institution, ISP) can't have more than one million customers, and it should also have a sufficient number of representatives (not phone machines) working directly with the customers.
Otherwise it can't be called business, it is scheming.

P.S. And Sears simply revoke my card sometime in the middle of the described above financial manipulations.

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2005, 01:58:35 PM »
Hey this is Y they are getting rid of all those clase action suits....

After we get rid of those we can pass the saving onto the billionares and the stockholders:rolleyes:

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2005, 03:27:47 PM »
one thing i've never understood about companies that screw up credit reports..........

Why can't you sue them for Slander?

Could a newspaper get away with lieing about some company and watch it's stock drop?

NO, they would get sue'd for slander .... where are the citizens rights?

I've never heard of a case of identity theft etc where the company wasn't resposible for lousy security.... yet they can post a credit report that slanders your name?!?!?!

Maybe if you make THEM pay for THIER mistakes THEY will increase THIER secuirty .....


I fail to see where a 'victim' of identity theft, cards stolen etc.... is ever involved in it?

It's all the company that screwed up with thier lousy secuirty or just lousy accounting in the frist place that allows such problems.  I've yet to see them held resposible for slandering credit reports.......

IF we held them resposible is such ways maybe they would shape up.

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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2005, 03:36:27 PM »
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Hey this is Y they are getting rid of all those clase action suits....

After we get rid of those we can pass the saving onto the billionares and the stockholders:rolleyes:


nice troll

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2005, 05:58:51 PM »
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one thing i've never understood about companies that screw up credit reports..........

Why can't you sue them for Slander?




You can, maybe not slander but negligence
would be easy to prove.

So what are your damages? a few hundred?, are you going to hire a lawyer to prove your case?, of course not.

Gunslinger's problem isn't even a problem, as he has already found out.

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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2005, 06:54:52 PM »
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You can, maybe not slander but negligence
would be easy to prove.

So what are your damages? a few hundred?, are you going to hire a lawyer to prove your case?, of course not.

Gunslinger's problem isn't even a problem, as he has already found out.

shamus


Well I still have some "leg work" to do with them.  My bank did not bounce the check so I have to wait for them to mail me one.  I also have to fax them my bank statment and the check for them to see the 3 $33 overdraft fees and the $50 direct deposit advance fee.

Either way I don't have any spending money for the week.