Author Topic: DRAGONS is on now :D (Read 1116 times)

Stringer · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2005, 12:39:01 PM »

Dragons are real.

I used to watch one every Saturday Morning. They called him Puff, and he was magic.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2005, 12:40:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
The whole problem with the theories is scale. It just doesn't translate to 1/2 ton creatures. The show errored greatly in that aproach. It was very poorly thought out.

I would have rather seen them delve more into the actual mythology of dragons and work from that aspect instead of the autopsy aproach.

They also failed to explain how their autopsy subject survived the comet that they claim wiped out all mountain dragons. A minor oversight in their timeline.

I would tend to agree.

I think the comet problem the idea was they repopulated the earth.

But the whole thing was really a guesstimate

Kinda hard to come upwith any real data without some kind of actual remains

Might be an interesting project though to see if one could with the proper materials be created to scale that would actually work.
I would have liked to have seen somethign like that tried

Much like was done with the pterodon.
Many people beleived that couldnt really fly also.

Hey if someone can make a lawnmower fly. why not LMAO

Mini D · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2005, 12:55:01 PM »

body mass to lift is something you cannot get around. There was absolutely no explanation in the entire show that explained that. Hydrogen sacks would not generate lift unless they displaced volume... which they did not even remotely adress.

Something capable of chewing ore in order to "eat platinum" would have to have incredibly dense mussels and bone structures. The more they tried to explain, the more they contradicted themselves.

The prehistoric "birds" had incredible wingspan to body size ratios. Dragons did not. If they tried to go with the flightless aproach they would have been better off.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2005, 12:59:43 PM »

Damn it MiniP, get yourself a freaking dictionary!!!!!!
-SW
PS: Bumblebees aren't supposed to fly due to their size vs wing area... or something like that. I still think dragons are a myth.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2005, 01:17:03 PM »

You guys do realize that for anything to sustain flight, it would have to take in massive amounts of energy.

This tells us one of a few things assuming there were dragons.

1.) There were a lot of dragons, there wasn't a lot of food. So all the dragons ate all of the dinosaurs and then died of starvation.

2.) There were very very few dragons. They would go around devouring everything in their path (literally) just so that they could stay alive.

But then you have to take a look at the evolutionary standpoint.

The underwater dragon is believable. The hydrogen sack can easily be used. This creature would eventually wander up on land. It would not have wings, nor would it have need for the Bladder. By the time it evolved wings, it wouldn't have had the bladder.

Elfie · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2005, 01:22:44 PM »

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They also failed to explain how their autopsy subject survived the comet that they claim wiped out all mountain dragons. A minor oversight in their timeline.

Nothing larger than a cat survived the comet, they stated that on the show. Then after millions of years the earth was repopulated with animals through evolution. The mountain dragon was a decendant of the marine dragon. The autopsy subject was a 500 years dead specimen that was killed by 15th century man and frozen in an icecave.

OIO · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:32:14 PM »

hehe elfie beat me to it. I think someone has to watch the show with a bit more attention.

"PS: Bumblebees aren't supposed to fly due to their size vs wing area... or something like that. I still think dragons are a myth."

The bumblebee story is that an engineer in pre-computer times, in a social occassion, took a napkin and said that the bumblebee couldnt fly because its wings didnt have enough area to create lift like a rigid aircraft or a bird does. Nowadays they know the bumblebee and many other insects fly because their wings are flexible and 'twist' as they move up and down creating vortices..and its those vortices which the insect uses to fly.

Mini D · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:38:18 PM »

They showed the mountain dragon as a different evolutionary chain. The dragon that evolved from the sea serpent was not capable of flight and explained the chinese dragon portraits.

The mountain dragon is what they were saying was around before the comet struck, but was whiped out by the comet. The claim that something re-evolved into the same creature given drastically different environments is... umm... well... pretty typical for the show.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:39:40 PM »

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Originally posted by OIO
hehe elfie beat me to it. I think someone has to watch the show with a bit more attention.

"PS: Bumblebees aren't supposed to fly due to their size vs wing area... or something like that. I still think dragons are a myth."

The bumblebee story is that an engineer in pre-computer times, in a social occassion, took a napkin and said that the bumblebee couldnt fly because its wings didnt have enough area to create lift like a rigid aircraft or a bird does. Nowadays they know the bumblebee and many other insects fly because their wings are flexible and 'twist' as they move up and down creating vortices..and its those vortices which the insect uses to fly.

I think they are a myth also.

But assuming they are not and considering nobody has one for actual examination. Why would the same principle not also possbly hold true for a dragon?

OIO · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2005, 04:25:27 PM »

no, because the vortices can only be used for flight if you can beat your wings several hundred times a second.

No large animal can do that, only insects and hummingbirds.

SunTracker · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2005, 05:39:24 PM »

http://www.abc.net.au/dinosaurs/fact_files/volcanic/quetzalcoatlus.htm

Quetzalcoatlus- A flying dinosaur with the wingspan of a P-51.

OIO · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2005, 05:58:05 PM »

...and weighing only 100lbs.

Elfie · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2005, 06:03:25 PM »

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They showed the mountain dragon as a different evolutionary chain. The dragon that evolved from the sea serpent was not capable of flight and explained the chinese dragon portraits.

Evolved from the Marine Dragon according to the show. The chinese dragon was just one evolution of the dragon. According to the show the dragons before the comet hit were pre-historic dragons. Although they did use the same model for the pre-historic version and the Mountain version. At least, I couldnt tell any difference visually.

They also showed 2 different evolutionary chains for the dragons. One was pre-historic, the other was post-comet. The post-comet chain had the Marine Dragon evolving into the different land dragons.

I have always thought it was more than a coincidence that so many cultures throughout human history had myths about dragons. The myths all have some commonality about them, ie...dragons were reptilian, had wings and could breath fire.

It's not uncommon for archaeologists to find new fossils. By new I mean new species. Somehow I seriously doubt that we know about every species that ever existed.

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2005, 06:04:55 PM »

Next you'll be saying leprechauns don't exist.

Frosted Lucky Charms, don't touch my ****ing cereal.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2005, 06:20:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Next you'll be saying leprechauns don't exist.

Frosted Lucky Charms, don't touch my ****ing cereal.

Now those I know DO exist

I know cause I caught one once but his pot O gold turned out to be nothing more then a half filled chamber pot:eek: