Father of the Musclecar dies.

[Skydancer]

Urm where's the hypocracy? enlighten me?

[GtoRA2]

Your hyporcracy is, you wine about labels and things like amerihater, then you label me anti anything american.


On top of that it was just a plain stupid thing to say.

[Skydancer]

Actualy thats a fair point. My apologies.

( no smilie for shrugging shoulders ! )

[GtoRA2]

Accepted.




TVRs are still ugly as sin though!:D

[bcee]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
There is only one country in the world you could have gotten a "musclecar".  The term and the vehicles it applied to is 100% American.  It was created and defined here, in the U.S.A.

Dunt futz with me on this one.  I grew up in that era.

Ditto on that!....Wish i had all the MOPARS i owned back then "now"!

[culero]

Goats were great cars, definitely an influence in the development of an era of fine stuff from Detroit. Delorean is a hero for what he did in that regard.

I owned what I consider to be the ultimate evolution of what Pontiac started with the Goat - a 1971 TransAm 455HO. Same engine family as the GTO 389, in fact using the RamAir cylinder heads developed for the 389/3X2bbl setup, but with a four-bolt main bearing block, cast iron individual passage header-style exhaust manifolds, aluminum intake manifold, a true OEM high performance package in a chassis with much superior handling characteristics than the Goat (it had much better suspension than a standard Firebird and in that year actually had effective ground effect spoilers). It was wickedly fast stock, felt like it was on rails as it hit 100mph and got better as it went faster (it felt in its element with more power to spare at 140mph, as fast as I ever took it). I credit Delorean for setting Pontiac on the path that resulted in that car, and am grateful for having had the pleasure of it.

He also was responsible for the first Tempest, a truly innovative design.

The stainless steel car he's so often criticized for has a very interesting story behind it. Anyone with an interest should read it. I can tell you that he had a brilliant idea that would have been a very nice car had he been able to do it as he wished to. Many things, including UK/Irish politics contributed to his concept's demise by way of castration.

One of the features of my car repair shop was that I specialized, amongst other things, in the repair of Delorean cars. I got started because one of my good customers bought one and needed me for it. Eventually, several from the local area found me (because most people wouldn't touch 'em or weren't able to do 'em right).

That car was a miserable thing to have to work on, and a disappointment in every respect in terms of the execution of design. That said, I got a lot of admiring glances from folks (including nubile females) whenever I took one for a test drive. I gotta admit it was fun

He got a really raw deal on the drug bust thing, blatant bait/entrapment by the Feds. That's in the book, too. Its a good read, recommended.

culero

[john9001]

austin martins and bentlys are rich boys toys and the TVR's i'v worked on had ford V8's in them.

[takeda]

"hypocracy"
You anglos, from either side of the pond, should learn your own language, or something.

[GtoRA2]

Shut up.
No one likes spelling and grammar nazis.

Don't have anything to say about Musclecars or John D? The get the F of this thread.

[takeda]

In fact I'd say Aston Martins are nice cars that no one really should buy and musclecars are brutal contraptions of debatable sense or beauty.

I just own a tiny and underpowered Italian econobox, see the pink in my flag. Envy made me tease you.

[GtoRA2]

lol
Sorry, I am in a bit of a mood this morning. Car pooling when I am not the driver for the week pisses me off.

[Sikboy]

It's funny. I don't know GtoRA2 at all, but he was the first person I thought of when I read that Delorean had passed away.

Wierd.

BTW, yeah, John and Jim were responsible for the song "Little GTO." And it was great marketing.

-Sik

[GtoRA2]

Thats kinda funny sick.


Man from the time I turned 15, tell about a year or so before my dad died,  I lived and breathed everything GTO.

I was hooked on them like Crack.

I still love the cars, and still dig muscle cars but, not like I used to. Prolly something to do with my dad dying.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Only the odd couple of words to Add

Astin Martin
Bently
TVR


That'll do for now. Thats what Brits know about Muscle Cars! Oh and the land speed record. Mach1 Speed of sound.  pretty bloody muscley that Noble Thrust2

you cant even spell 'Aston'....


one of my pet hates is people that cannot spell it.  usually it is 'Austin Martin'.

Nearest any of them as come to a muscle car i *think* in my limited knowledge about the american term would be the Aston Martin V8 Vantage, but i am probably wrong..  

anyway:-



Despite looking like a warthog it is pretty awesome

engine TwinTurbocharged V8
valvetrain Quad Cam, 4 Valves / Cyl
displacement 5340 cc / 325.9 cu in
power 447.4 kw / 600.0 bhp @ 6500 rpm
hp per litre 112.36 bhp per litre
bhp/weight  
torque 820 nm / 604.8 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
body / frame Aluminum
front brakes AP Racing Vanted Discs w/ABS
f brake size 362 mm / 14.3 in
r brake size 310 mm / 12.2 in
front wheels F 45.7 x 25.4 cm / 18.0 x 10.0 in
rear wheels R 45.7 x 25.4 cm / 18.0 x 10.0 in
front tire size 285/45ZR18
rear tire size 285/45ZR18
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
weight 1975 kg / 4354 lbs
wheelbase 1611 mm / 63.4 in
length 4745 mm / 186.8 in
width 1944 mm / 76.5 in
height 1330 mm / 52.4 in
transmission ZF 6-Speed Manual
top speed 321.9 kph / 200.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.8 seconds
0 - 100 mph 9.9 seconds

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=23

[Skydancer]

Blimey I feellike I'm back in English class!

Nice car though. warthog or no, I bet it shifts. Until the traffic slows ( had to get that in )