Originally posted by NUTTZ
Actually it was a lemans w/ the option. The difference is the window frame on the door, Tempest has them, LeMans and GTO don't.
64 headlights are side to side.
65 are up and down. and body style is completely changed.
66 body style completely changed
67 just like 66 just different tail lights
68 body style completely changed again.
But yes in 64' 65' they were dealer options.
I think the statement really ment the Idea of the GTO was firmly planted in 65'. So it's all in the interpritation.
Either way the GTO is a fine car that most people wouldn't mind having parked in thier driveway:)
NUTTZ
'66 was its own model .. befor that the gto was just an option .
from '64 - '66 they came in three body styles,
Hard top
Convertable
Sport coupe - (has post around the door window ) yes the gto had a post for the 1st 3 years ... any post gto after this is a fake . (my '66 is a Post "sport coupe" as for these were the lightest body's )
67-72 the GTO came in 2 models
hardtop
convertable
(note; they still made post car's on the Tempest,lemans, T-37 but not the Gto or the Judge) I did see a 68 once that the guy swore was a post gto but he shied away when i asked to see the build tag ..
the tri power option ran from 64- 66 1/2 with the 389 ci , in 67 they went to the Q-jet on the 400 ci with the 670 casting cyl heads 2.11 intake valves, the early 67 heads are closed chamber ,the later and all heads after this are open chamber .
in '68 they came out with the Round port heads for the ram air 2 engine .
the ram air 3 engine was a D port engine and the heads were seen on bolth the 400 and the 428 ci these were basically the same as the late '67 "670" casting heads
1969 ... here we still have the ram air 3 engine ... but low and behold here comes the ram air 4 (these heads are based on the ram air 2 heads with round port exhaust ,, but with bigger ports , a set of virgin ram air 4 heads can bring a pritty penny these days "5000+ " )
also in '69 pontiac came out for there trans am racing program the "Tunnel port " engine alias the Ram air 5 ,
now this was the monster of pontiacs
this eng was strickly for racing use ... and were never put in a car for resale . they went out the backdoor and straight to certian people .. they made this eng in 303 ci and 400 ci .
there was 200 sets of heads made and 50 intakes manufactured for the RA 5 .
there are a couple of these engs in Gto's /TA's .. I myself had a set of these heads for awhile. but i never put them together ... I did get to see a dyno pull on one and let me tell ya 927 hp (that made my 427 ci ford in my 9 sec cougar at that time flinch "it was only 790 hp ") this was back in the early '80's way befor turbo's and N2O was common place .. these motors were banned from most racing classes ..
The intake ports on these heads are bigger then 351 clevelands by over 1/2 inch and the push rod has to go thru a tube pressed into the head thru the port .
now supposedly no 421ci or 428 ci engines were offered from the factory in a '64-69 Gto ..... but I did own a 65 convertiable that I bought from the original owner that had a build date matching 421 / 2bbl engine in it ... I do believe this may have been one of the factory flukes , it was sort of a rare optioned 65 also .. Ti ignition , rally gages, power steering/brakes/ antenia , 4 way power seats and windows , Mayfair maize paint / black interior/white top ... kinda wierd thats for shure .. (my good friend has one the really rare 65 converts thats in the ultra rare "Tiger Gold" paint but w/ the black int/top and the Hurst wheels )
ok thats enough for now ...
And Nuttz you better have disc brakes on your Gto or im gonna beat ya ...
I did mine back in '80 and added the aluminum rear drums along with the 1 3/8's front bar 1 in rear bar .. its really sic to have a Gto that corners too
