Who's in hell?

[slimm50]

Originally posted by JB88
i have a tendancy to believe in hell as the living metaphor rather than an actual place where the soul goes upon dying.

(death in my view is little more than the disintigration of focused energy and matter back into the soup of the universe...which more or less argues that the sum of our parts collectively (our bodies) simply returns itself to inert available matter for the larger sum of the universal part and/or consciousness....but i digress)

in this scenario, heaven, hell, limbo etc. all  exist here on earth in stasis within our own perception and experience and do not exist in the postscript of our lives.

the concepts, i believe, are derivitive of the base elements of positive and negative.

further i would suggest that what is hell to one might be heaven to another depending upon the bent of the collective parts that make the person.  in other words...to a positive man, hell is a place where a surplus of negativity exists...to a negative man, hell exits in a positive experience.

most religious doctrine is and was used to explain the fundemental workings of the universe in regards to these matters but started from the git go as a way of surpressing one or the other from passing through life without consequence.

who will go to hell?  

i would suggest that half of the people on this board are probably already there on one level or another.

some are in heaven.

its a sliding scale of course.  

some folks being closer to limbo.

to some in hell it is heaven.
for some in heaven...it is a living hell.

88

Now here we have a prime example of too much education, and someone with too much time on their hands. Get a job dood.























j/k JB. Pretty interesting, actually. But I must say, I'm strongly inclined to reiterate what Seagoon said a couple posts up.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by GScholz
What's the qualifiers? Where do you draw the line?

Thank God for Punk rock. A place we can always turn for guidance.

People that are going to hell
By the Vandals
Some people are bad and they don't give a damn -
what they do or who they hurt. -
They go through their lives and don't apologize -
for the **** that they've disturbed. -
But they don't bother me at all cuz I know quite well -
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell -
 Some beat their wives or pull out a knife -
and stab a person or two or three -
with no repercussions and no one here can touch them -
and they get away scott free -
But that's not the case you see and I'm glad to tell -
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell -
They will spend eternity cursing all they've done -
faced with karma consequences and nowhere left to run -
They will be in agony until the end of time -
Cuz they were such bellybutton holes while alive -
So try and be nice and to do what's right cuz there will come a day -
When you're faced with your maker and no one here can save you -
No matter what they say. -
And be glad that you were good cuz some don't do so well and -
when their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by ASTAC
Who's in hell? We all are...we have two choices here..absolute govenment contol over every aspect of our lives including our deaths....or total anarchy...and the average person is the one that pays the price for whichever way we are leaning.

Fallacy: False Dilemma



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also Known as: Black & White Thinking.

Description of False Dilemma
A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning":


Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false).
Claim Y is false.
Therefore claim X is true.
This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because if both claims could be false, then it cannot be inferred that one is true because the other is false. That this is the case is made clear by the following example:


Either 1+1=4 or 1+1=12.
It is not the case that 1+1=4.
Therefore 1+1=12.
In cases in which the two options are, in fact, the only two options, this line of reasoning is not fallacious. For example:


Bill is dead or he is alive.
Bill is not dead.
Therefore Bill is alive.


Examples of False Dilemma

Senator Jill: "We'll have to cut education funding this year."
Senator Bill: "Why?"
Senator Jill: "Well, either we cut the social programs or we live with a huge deficit and we can't live with the deficit."

Bill: "Jill and I both support having prayer in public schools."
Jill: "Hey, I never said that!"
Bill: "You're not an atheist are you Jill?"

"Look, you are going to have to make up your mind. Either you decide that you can afford this stereo, or you decide you are going to do without music for a while."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/index.html

[ASTAC]

Thrawn,

Loved your last post...However I wouldn't call it a total fallacy. This is the path that we seem to be taking. Or at least that is my perception.

Those that wan't big government and those that want no government...the middle of that road keeps shrinking with every big issue that erupts lately...Dividing America like never before..everyone will soon be forced to take a side..but in the end we will all lose. The problem is I think is that instead of voicing our opinions where it matters..we waste too much time in here debating them..I am as guilty as anyone else.