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Offline Kegger26

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2005, 03:31:15 PM »
That is becuase the M60 was built after the MG42 design.

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2005, 04:13:44 PM »
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MG34 800 rpm

MG42 1500 rpm...

Nearly double..

MG42 is a beast to watch fire live!
 


The german army still uses a "MG42", which is nowadays known as the MG3 and fires the stantard NATO round.

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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2005, 04:15:56 PM »
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The german army still uses a "MG42", which is nowadays known as the MG3 and fires the stantard NATO round.


It's also silver in color and the housing for the barrel looks different IIRC.

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2005, 04:18:37 PM »
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The M60 does not sound anything like an MG42. The M60's ROF is much lower. Also the M60 is not built after the MG42. The M60's action is based on the FG42.


 I have to say you are incorrect here. The M60 WAS infact built on the MG42's AND the FG42.
 The M60 machine gun began development in the late 1940s and borrowed strongly from German designs such as the MG42 and FG42, combining the stamped sheet metal construction and belt feed mechanism of the former with the finicky, unreliable, fragile, excessively complex gas piston operating system of the latter. It was adopted by the US Army in 1957 and served for almost 35 years, hated the whole time by almost everyone who had to use it.
http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg12-e.htm


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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2005, 04:24:20 PM »
Dinky,

I believe the mechanism is pretty much unchanged though
But silver? I don't think I've seen silver ones yet


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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2005, 04:24:44 PM »
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The M60 does not sound anything like an MG42. The M60's ROF is much lower. Also the M60 is not built after the MG42. The M60's action is based on the FG42.


Well from what we could tell, while other MG's and SMG's and artillery guns were going off around us, plus a .50 cal, the m60 sounded similar..
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2005, 04:33:08 PM »
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Dinky,

I believe the mechanism is pretty much unchanged though
But silver? I don't think I've seen silver ones yet



This was a while ago, back when they were being first introduced that I saw silver MG3's, it may have still been a prototype and the color may have changed.  Just telling you what I've seen.

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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2005, 04:38:28 PM »
Well I didnt say they sounded the same. The dont.. We were fired on in Kosovo by a WWII era MG42. I dont know what those boys in WWII felt like, but that sound....is pretty damn scary. It makes you stop and drop pretty quick. We were two blocks away from it! It puts out a frighting amount of fire. The downside is it is hard to hit anything with it. It seems to be mostly a suppressive fire weapon more so than a direct contact support weapon. Mr MK19 mounted on a HUMVEE put a 40mm right though that window it was in. Ended there day preatty quickly.

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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2005, 04:41:57 PM »
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It seems to be mostly a suppressive fire weapon more so than a direct contact support weapon.


The german infantry was formed around the machinegun.
The guys wielding a Kar98K were supposed to support the machinegun, while it did the job.
It shouldn't be so inaccurate when used with controlled bursts.
Of course the tripod mounted guns are more accurate than the bipod supported.

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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2005, 04:43:32 PM »
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Well I didnt say they sounded the same. The dont.. We were fired on in Kosovo by a WWII era MG42. I dont know what those boys in WWII felt like, but that sound....is pretty damn scary. It makes you stop and drop pretty quick. We were two blocks away from it! It puts out a frighting amount of fire. The downside is it is hard to hit anything with it. It seems to be mostly a suppressive fire weapon more so than a direct contact support weapon. Mr MK19 mounted on a HUMVEE put a 40mm right though that window it was in. Ended there day preatty quickly.


Yep, the Mg42 was basically a suppression-fire only weapon.  It really was not capable of hitting anything at distance, but it was able to keep everyone behind cover because of the insane amount of lead it threw out.  The MG42 crew was very vulnerable once someone broke through the flanks, however, and because of the nature of the weapon, most crews actually abandoned the gun to retreat, rather than pack it all up and leave themselves extremely vulnerable while doing so.  

On a side note, the reason the MG42 doesn't even sound like a gun is because the bullets fire so fast that the human ear can't register each bullet being fired, so it sort of melds together into a very loud, frightening, roar.

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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2005, 04:46:03 PM »
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The german infantry was formed around the machinegun.
The guys wielding a Kar98K were supposed to support the machinegun, while it did the job.
It shouldn't be so inaccurate when used with controlled bursts.
Of course the tripod mounted guns are more accurate than the bipod supported.


 These knuckle heads had it on some sandbags up in a window area. So it was bouncing all over the place. That and you had untrained troops deploying it.

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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2005, 04:51:56 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2005, 04:53:25 PM »
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I don't think you know what you are talking about.


You know, since I don't feel like typing out a whole answer again, correct me instead of just saying "I don't think you know what you're talking about."

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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2005, 04:57:21 PM »
Dinky, dont sweat it. He seems to be alittle arrogant. It is proly just best to let it go anways. This thread is about FPS's not weapons.

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2005, 04:59:32 PM »
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Dinky, dont sweat it. He seems to be alittle arrogant. It is proly just best to let it go anways. This thread is about FPS's not weapons.


Yes, I know.  I just hate when people say that you're wrong, then don't present any facts or even an arguement to support the "you're wrong" claim.

Bugs the hell out of me.