To Poles: Fd-Ski, Bik and Ramzey

[Boroda]

Not another flamefest thread, sorry everyone.

Here is a Russian translation of an article by Jerzy Urban in "Nie", Feb. 11th 2005. I tried to find it at http://www.nie.com.pl, but it's not listed an Urban's article archive

It's called "Hitler was right" in Russian translation ("Gitler byl prav").

One guy who speaks Polish language in ru.military echo said that this article is sarcastic. I think he's right, but I didn't see an original in Polish, and my understanding of Polish is anyway not good enough to see sarcasm

Was that guy right? What is a "Nie"? Is it a popular weekly or a marginal leaflet? AFAIK - Urban is a well-known person in Poland... Can you please do me a a favour and tell me your opinion, especially if you have a chance to read an article?...

Thanks in advance!

Pokój!

[fd ski]

Looking for the article right now.

As for Urban, he's quite a talented journalist, very sharp wit. He's ex communist yet he separates from the left wing those days, he feels they betrayed the principles.

I don't read NIE but it does have some circulation, not a run away hit but they have been around for quite a while. Urban and his folks go for the lower level audience, lots of obsenities in the text, porn ads, so fourh.

http://www.nie.com.pl/main.php?dzial=arch&sub=wynik

That page has a list of all articles on teh web, i can't find it there, maybe it was in the printed version.

What's the article about anyway ?

[Raven_2]

to fd ski

>>What's the article about anyway ?

In short, Urban said that Bek bertrayed Poland interests when start war with Germany. That in Poland interests he should be join Hitler like Ruminia did and start war with USSR as nazi vassal. Well, sounds bad but his position is pretty argumented...

[ramzey]

Rticle wroted by guy called  as "goebels of war state ",  press representative comunistic gov in 80's

but who read them? im not, its flaming fest magazine
Som people are allways interested for cheap sensation
I bet you know this kinde behavior does not match to  Poles as nation, we stand against russia and germany.
And deliberating about "what if" its very iffy after  over 60 years.

Somone could wrotearticle about "we should join swedish king and go to conquer russia" but we did'nt. We let sweep us from map by our neighbours not first time.

[fd ski]

Originally posted by Raven_2
to fd ski

>>What's the article about anyway ?

In short, Urban said that Bek bertrayed Poland interests when start war with Germany. That in Poland interests he should be join Hitler like Ruminia did and start war with USSR as nazi vassal. Well, sounds bad but his position is pretty argumented...

In that case i call bull**** on it.

Last month there was supposed article from respectable polish newspaper circulated in Russian news with some really derogatory stuff, problem was, that article never appeared in Poland and newspaper knew nothing about it.

Urban is a communist, and he admits to being of jewish decent. I doubt if he would write an article where he states that :
1. poland made a mistake "attacking" germany -
this is an obvious idiocy, only a neonazi can believe such crap.
2. poland would join axis.
poland didn't fit into the uberhuman philosophy very well btw.

Find me that article on http://www.nie.com.pl website, until then, i think it's another provocation in Russia.

[Boroda]

It's labeled as appeared in "Nie" on Feb, 11th. Maybe it was number 5, 2005, and it's not listed on the website

Urban says that a conclusion that alliance with Hitler was the best solution is obvious after reading "18 freshly printed history textbooks", and provides some quotes with sarcastic comments.

Looks like sarcasm to me. InoSMI sometimes translates different sources in a strange way, you know, two translations of one word have absolutely differen flavour, like "protivnik" = "enemy" and "opponent".

As far as I understood from your comments - "Nie" is a Polish analogue of Russian "Zavtra" ("Tomorrow"). Some articles from Zavtra translated into foreign languages can cause international conflicts

Hmm.. Looked at other Urban's articles translated by InoSMI - can't find many of them on "Felieton Urbana" page. Maybe some articles come as editorials?... AFAIU he's an owner and editor of "Nie". InoSMI isn't a "newsmaker" in Russia, frankly speaking I don't expect provocations from them, but - who knows...

[Raven_2]

to fd ski

>>Find me that article on http://www.nie.com.pl website, until then, i think it's another provocation in Russia.

Well, if this is provocation, I don`t see any sense in it. The main reason for joining Hitler for Urban that in this way poles may saved lifes at least some part of 3.000.000 polish jews, killed by Hitler, and avoid being attacked by both soviet and nazi side. And if poles gave Hitler corridor for attacking USSR, he can go to the East, not to the West and instead of WW2 there can be Soviet vs Nazi conflict. Also in this case Warsaw rebelion would never happened and so on. And after Hitler fall, Poland can be treated by USSR like Ruminia (I mean, avoid joining to soviet block).

While sounds ammoraly, this could save many lives, I think.

[Boroda]

Hm. Romania was a member of Warsaw treaty, and it was the only country that didn't spend any money for it's needs...

Again, IMHO that article isn't a provocation, it's a sarcasm that probably was lost in translation.

Is it possible to find a "Nie" issue from Feb, 11th?...

[bikekil]

Urban is a di*k The whole idea of his writings (and the newspaper that is his) is to insult the people here and there, from the left or the right side of the political scene... the Pope...
And then, you will allways find the people who will agree with that point... Maybe (i've heard) that there are some more or less valuable writings in the newspaper from time to time, but i'd be very surprised if it's 10% of that whole crap that is in NIE.

Anyway, the audience of that newspaper are people who believe in various conspiracy theories. Whatever he say, it's far from being a vioce of Poland... it's sooo far that i can't see it possible to become a vioce of my country ever.... it;s far from being a voice of minority

[bikekil]

oh my... just ofen the main page of their website... without knowing Polish and just by lookiong of those pictures you can see who the audience of that newspaper is

[genozaur]

Originally posted by ramzey
Rticle wroted by guy called  as "goebels of war state ",  press representative comunistic gov in 80's

but who read them? im not, its flaming fest magazine
Som people are allways interested for cheap sensation
I bet you know this kinde behavior does not match to  Poles as nation, we stand against russia and germany.
And deliberating about "what if" its very iffy after  over 60 years.

Somone could wrotearticle about "we should join swedish king and go to conquer russia" but we did'nt. We let sweep us from map by our neighbours not first time.

Guys, when you see that the whole article is dedicated to the topic of "what if", please do not waste your time, because it is the obvious propaganda trick. Have you noticed the new trend in "historical studies" ? Those series of books under the title "What if ?" This is the BS which has started the invasion of the bookshelves. The purpose of these "authors" is to distruct people from studying the true historical facts. Because different people may reach consensus if they know these true facts.
But some wise men (including "Comrade" Urban) prefer to 'catch fish in the muddy water'. That is, the more confusion among ordinary people, the better. Because it is easier to rule over ignorant people.
So, I recommend you to forget that article and it's author.
Po-russki, takih avtorov zovut 'gandon shtopaniy'. (In Russian such an author can rightfully be labeled as 'mended condom").