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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2005, 04:55:49 PM »
I'm pretty curious how the USA asking that forigners present their passports upon entry into this country is interpreted by some here as a step towards totalitarianism and draws comparisons to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany...

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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2005, 05:15:31 PM »
Because anything the US does is inherantly evil.  I thought you knew that.  :confused:

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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2005, 05:44:23 PM »
if trips to the Caribbean, Bermuda, Central or South America by air or sea include a US stopover.
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2005, 05:48:16 PM »
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I'm pretty curious how the USA asking that forigners present their passports upon entry into this country is interpreted by some here as a step towards totalitarianism and draws comparisons to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany...


Because of the arrogance of many US travellers who seem to think they should be exempt from such procedures when travelling overseas.

Remember when the US started fingerprinting people, and  countries like Brazil said whats good for the goose is good for the gander... there was a huge uproar from the US over it.

Its getting worse, the USA is demanding biometric passports, and you guys will need to get them as well. $$$$ and a pain in the backside.

When the Canadians start demanding passports, fingerprints, and retina scans just remember before you whine about it ;)

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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2005, 05:50:55 PM »
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Because of the arrogance of many US travellers who seem to think they should be exempt from such procedures when travelling overseas.

Remember when the US started fingerprinting people, and  countries like Brazil said whats good for the goose is good for the gander... there was a huge uproar from the US over it.



I don't remember any uproar in the US about it. I think it's a great idea.

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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2005, 05:51:17 PM »
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Remember when the US started fingerprinting people, and  countries like Brazil said whats good for the goose is good for the gander... there was a huge uproar from the US over it.




What huge uproar?

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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2005, 05:53:42 PM »
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I'm pretty curious how the USA asking that forigners present their passports upon entry into this country is interpreted by some here as a step towards totalitarianism and draws comparisons to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany...



It's the fact that US citzens will now have to have a passport to get back IN the US if you leave.
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2005, 05:59:04 PM »
U.S. Re-Entry to Get Tougher for Americans
Wednesday, April 06, 2005

WASHINGTON — Americans will need passports to re-enter the United States from Canada (search), Mexico (search), Panama (search) and Bermuda (search) by 2008, part of a tightening of U.S. border controls in an era of terrorist threat, three administration officials said Tuesday.

Similarly, Canadians will also have to present a passport to enter the United States, the officials said.

The announcement, expected later Tuesday at the State Department, will specify that a passport (search) or another valid travel document will have to be shown by U.S. citizens, the officials said.

These include a document called Sentri (search) that is used for Mexico travel or a Nexus (search) for Canada travel.

Until now, Americans returning home from Canada have needed only to show a driver's license or other government-issued photo identification card.

Americans returning from Mexico, Panama or Bermuda currently need only a government-issued photo identification card plus proof of U.S. citizenship like an original birth or naturalization certificate, according to the State Department's Web site.

The new rules, to be phased in by Jan. 1, 2008, were called for in intelligence legislation approved last year by Congress.

Safeguarding U.S. borders are a top concern of U.S. intelligence and security officials. The concern increased after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon.

The travel industry has raised concerns that the changes might hamper tourism, one official said.

The announcement follows a three-way summit last month that President Bush held with Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada and President Vicente Fox of Mexico.

Speaking at Baylor University at Waco, Tex., Bush said border controls with Mexico had to be tightened to make sure that terrorists, drug runners, gun runners and smugglers do not enter the United States.

Besides a passport, re-entering Americans could use another approved travel document like frequent travel cards, which are issued to some people who travel often between the U.S. and Mexico. These cards typically are used to avoid long border-crossing lines.

But in most cases, only passports will do, another U.S. official said.

The new system will deal first with the Caribbean, then Mexico and Canada. It will start at airports and subsequently spread to land crossings, said an official speaking on condition of anonymity.

U.S. inspectors will bear less of a burden with the changes because they won't have to sift through different kinds of travel documents, the officials said.


The only stuff I have a problem with is that I have to have a passport to enter MY OWN COUNTRY!!!!!  Especially since I have one of the new hard..real hard to forge Military ID cards...what will they want next? a DNA sample?
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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2005, 06:05:55 PM »
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The only stuff I have a problem with is that I have to have a passport to enter MY OWN COUNTRY!!!!!  Especially since I have one of the new hard..real hard to forge Military ID cards...what will they want next? a DNA sample?


Why would you have a problem with that? If military are required to have a passport to re-enter, I'm sure the military will provide a passport.

If you think a military ID should suffice for personal pleasure or business travel, why do you think that?

Driver's licenses, airline ID's, even Passports have been forged. This is an attempt to standardize entry procedures using a somewhat more secure means than a driver's license.

It's a BFD. I've had a passport the last 30 odd years. This whole thing draws a yawn.
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2005, 06:07:44 PM »
You mean that peoplke will ahve to give US passports to the border control agent when they enter the USA!!!

The shock, the horror!!!

JB get a life man, make some artworks, go check out some girls at that beach bar you posted pics of the other day or dop just abour anything else. This paranoid stuff is really a waste of your time...

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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2005, 06:10:16 PM »
It is kind of funny. Its an international border. It will cost dollars to both sides to demand passports but typically the increased security is deemed to be worth that price in trade.

Its sort of sad that our relations with our big brothers to the south have changed to a more typicall relation between nations than was the case before, but times they are achangin.

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2005, 06:10:40 PM »
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It's the fact that US citzens will now have to have a passport to get back IN the US if you leave.


I always showed my passport on re-entry, guess why? Beacuse I usally needed it to enter the foreign countries I was visting and I usally kept it on the way back home... But now I know those countries were evil totalitarian polioce states for requring passports for entry and now the US is just like that....

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2005, 06:10:57 PM »
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Why would you have a problem with that? If military are required to have a passport to re-enter, I'm sure the military will provide a passport.

If you think a military ID should suffice for personal pleasure or business travel, why do you think that?

Driver's licenses, airline ID's, even Passports have been forged. This is an attempt to standardize entry procedures using a somewhat more secure means than a driver's license.

It's a BFD. I've had a passport the last 30 odd years. This whole thing draws a yawn.


Because I feel that I have proof enough..I've got a passport...not used often...just another thing to lose...If lost...not simple to replace..as it was a pain to get one in the first place..at least where I got mine....Passports are forged far easier than most ID Cards..especially the credit card type.
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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2005, 06:14:33 PM »
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Because I feel that I have proof enough..I've got a passport...not used often...just another thing to lose...If lost...not simple to replace..as it was a pain to get one in the first place..at least where I got mine....Passports are forged far easier than most ID Cards..especially the credit card type.


What exactly is so hard about getting your picture taken and printed out immidiately, walking into a post office, filling out a form, paying $50 and waiting for your passport to arrive in the mail?

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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2005, 06:17:12 PM »
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Its sort of sad that our relations with our big brothers to the south have changed to a more typicall relation between nations than was the case before, but times they are achangin.


I doubt it really reflects a change in the relationship so much as it reflects a change in the nature of forging documentation and a change in the procedures with respect to standardization.
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