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Offline StarOfAfrica2

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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2005, 10:12:48 PM »
I prefer getting mean with it.  But tis up to the individual owner.  You can try whining too, or bribery.  In my experience though, you have to have a firm hand in training your Windoze or it will turn around and bite you later.
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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2005, 12:00:24 AM »
SP2 plays with the tcp/ip network stack as well.  It broke a whole lot of IPSEC and SSL VPN clients I use.

For ultimate security at SOHO price, I have a Sonicwall TZ170 with IPS, Gateway AV, Anti-Ad/Spyware, with McAfee on my PC (managed via the Sonicwall - if AV isn't up to date you can't get to the net, if theres a massive virus outbreak it stops all PC's accessing the net until they have the DAT for the outbreak), and PestPatrol which I use to scan stuff from time to time.

My adware/spyware picks droped from a few a week to zero a week.

Spyware is pissing me off, today I needed a filejoiner so I googled and tried to download a couple of small "freeware" utilities:
04/07/2005 16:36:25.064 - Alert - Intrusion Prevention -    Anti-Spyware Prevention Alert: Bundled-Software Persian Goodnight Setup Download persiangoodnight.exe (Adware), SID: 2991, Danger Level: Medium -    66.98.138.27, 80, WAN, ev1s-66-98-138-27.ev1servers.net -    192.168.60.110, 1165, LAN -    
This email was generated by: SonicOS Enhanced 3.1.0.0-57e
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04/07/2005 16:35:41.240 - Alert - Intrusion Prevention -    Anti-Spyware Prevention Alert: eXact-Advertising BargainBuddy CASHBACK Installer executable (Adware), SID: 2547, Danger Level: Medium -    66.39.20.216, 80, WAN -    192.168.60.110, 1138, LAN -    
This email was generated by: SonicOS Enhanced 3.1.0.0-57e
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2005, 12:52:42 AM »
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Thanks Skuzzy.


Thanks  Elfie and everyone else who answered my earlier request......:D :D :D :D :aok
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 03:43:50 AM »
Debian Linux Powaah!


(Red Hat begins to act like a mini-MS these days...)
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 04:04:46 AM »
SP2 also breaks some previously valid javascript used in web applications...
There were security holes in the "object caching" features of IE, that they have patched by denying legitimate use.
Apps that made clever use of hidden frames for interaction with server processes are particularly affected.
Look out for weird "permission denied" or "access denied" errors that don't show up if using Win 2K, SP1 or Firefox.

Brilliant, that's like throwing theft victims in jail so they don't get robbed again :D
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2005, 04:30:46 AM »
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Tough... you're going to get it anyway.

http://www.ebcvg.com/articles.php?id=670


Nope.

It refuses to install in OSX :D
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 06:11:38 AM »
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Nope.

It refuses to install in OSX :D


Hows the keylogging/antispyware software going on OS X....? .... OHHHHH thats right you don't have any way of detecting them LOL.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 07:00:57 AM »
This isnt your first attempt to diss OSX, and ill ignore it just as fine this time as before :rofl


vulcans.... lol
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 07:26:28 AM »
Or for better things you can rename the file that Messenger depends on to something else and it never runs unless you need it to.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2005, 07:32:09 AM »
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Originally posted by Elfie

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To bad there isnt another operating system out there that can compete with Windows for the PC. I for one would use it and never give Bill Gates another penny :)


There is:

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  • Download one of Linux ditributions - Red Hat, Debian or others. (from 1 to 4 CDs with full system: desptop, office, mail, multimedia etc, depends on what you need)
  • Take one disk partition of the computer or take old computer that you use it less.
  • Install dual boot system
  • Enjoy!!!


You will going to see that it works very good - the newest desktops Gnome, KDE has great GUI. It is not harder to work with Linux then with any other system.

You also can try what is called LiveCD Linux (Knoppix or other) : download one CD enter it to computer reboot and run it without any installation. After you finish, remove CD and reboot the system to normal state.

It is ready to run system with full HW autodetection that allows you to see what Linux is... And if you decide to use you can install normal ditribution.

When I've started to use Linux, I've found that I hadn't reboot to windows for long time... so I removed Windows from my home computer (anyway it is too old and can't run AH2).
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2005, 09:38:32 AM »
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Hows the keylogging/antispyware software going on OS X....? .... OHHHHH thats right you don't have any way of detecting them LOL.


Not true..  OS X is free BSD under the hood...

if your know your unix there are plenty of apps....


The only thing microsoft has the market on is the gaming market.. maybe office but thats changing rapidly.. everything else its losing ground to free alternatives..

Whoever made the direct X indirect cash cow was a genius.  Suck in all the developers and corner the market...  (MS SOP)  you cant ignore Microsofts business savvy...



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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2005, 09:49:28 AM »
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Not true..  OS X is free BSD under the hood...

if your know your unix there are plenty of apps....


The only thing microsoft has the market on is the gaming market.. maybe office but thats changing rapidly.. everything else its losing ground to free alternatives..

Whoever made the direct X indirect cash cow was a genius.  Suck in all the developers and corner the market...  (MS SOP)  you cant ignore Microsofts business savvy...



DoctorYo


Agree 100%

Why could they just not stick to OpenGL? Anyone here have a good answer? Skuzzy?
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2005, 10:23:51 AM »
Direct X is very robust... for starters.. from sound to networking to voice its all in there...  open dxdiag and take a look there is a lot going on and that saves developers time by having just one system as opposed to creating your own system for every game.. (not cost effective) Thats why developers use it..  on top of that.  its chicken and the egg theory..

you want to move software but need users to do such..  microsoft used directx to solidify their desktop market by enticing programers to use their system as opposed to creating their own ...

Hence now programmers are sucked into a unholy partnership with microsoft  if they like it or not becuase the market is now geared to direct X...

the developers need customers to sell their software..  Microsoft still has a pretty good strangle hold on the desktop market and as a developer you want maximum distro of your product to make money in the software industry..  

My prediction is that with hardware getting so fast soon somebody smart is going to create a java like emulator system that unifies games on all platfoms much like how java can run its apps on all platforms thru java runtime enviroment etc..

then the tables will turn..


DoctorYo


PS :if you remember MS crapped it self when Sun put out Java and tried to get in that market with active X .net and other crap to compete.. (actually .net is pretty good, but active X is freaking security vulnrability nightmare that was quickly hashed together..unlike suns java..)
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2005, 10:29:02 AM »
Aha.. thx for the clarification.

Doom3 is opengl isnt it?
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2005, 10:37:33 AM »
Id software prefers not being under the mercy of microsoft and programs its engines in Open GL..

yes Doom 3 is Open GL

heres a small article write up on opengl vs directX

that i just pulled using google "directx" "vs" "opengl"

there alot more but this will get your started...

http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/openglvs.html


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