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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2005, 06:28:12 PM »
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but how would you use a bomb to deter a bomber?  he knows you can't get him without getting yourself.  

Oh... I get it... you think everyone should be suicide bombers?

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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2005, 06:32:53 PM »
So he was actually busted by the RIAA...  alright.

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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2005, 06:34:56 PM »
You know..you guys are the first ones to cry "Too much force..not enough evidence" what would you be saying if there had been explosives in the suitcases? It looked suspicious and sometimes you just can't take a chance. Give the cops a break..and the American people..can you blame some for being paranoid....can any of you honestly say that if it was your job to protect the capitol..you would have acted differently?
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« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2005, 06:50:13 PM »
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You know..you guys are the first ones to cry "Too much force..not enough evidence" what would you be saying if there had been explosives in the suitcases? It looked suspicious and sometimes you just can't take a chance. Give the cops a break..and the American people..can you blame some for being paranoid....can any of you honestly say that if it was your job to protect the capitol..you would have acted differently?


Well if thats the freedom you advertise.
When will we see the cops shouting at standing people "MOVE ALONG!" or get arrested?

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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2005, 06:55:48 PM »
Based on your post ASTAC, I assume that you have no problem with the police throwing someone with tattoos or dirty clothes in jail "just in case" because they might be a criminal?  After all, there's no need for actual evidence of a crime, shoot first and ask questions later, right?

In my posts, I kept saying 'maybe there's stuff we haven't heard yet that support the decision they make' but I followed that up with surprise that people on the message board just ASSUMED he must be guilty BECAUSE he was arrested.  The mere act of being arrested should not be part of the decision making process for whether someone is guilty.  

I would like to suggest you re-acquaint yourself with the standards of justice established by our forefathers, many who lived, fought and died within a few miles of where you live.  What you describe is a sequence of logic more appropriate for the soviet union, not the United States.

If this guy did something more threatening then just stand there, then we'll hear about it in a little bit.  But until then, stop yelling for blood.  Remember the guard at the Olympic bombing in Atlanta?  People applying the same standards of evidence as you ruined his life, cost him his career, and made him an enemy of the people....  until it eventually came out that he was innocent.  whoops.
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2005, 07:20:41 PM »
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but how would you use a bomb to deter a bomber?  he knows you can't get him without getting yourself.  

Oh... I get it... you think everyone should be suicide bombers?

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That's a headscratcher.

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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2005, 07:24:54 PM »
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That's a headscratcher.


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« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2005, 07:42:11 PM »
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Based on your post ASTAC, I assume that you have no problem with the police throwing someone with tattoos or dirty clothes in jail "just in case" because they might be a criminal?  After all, there's no need for actual evidence of a crime, shoot first and ask questions later, right?

In my posts, I kept saying 'maybe there's stuff we haven't heard yet that support the decision they make' but I followed that up with surprise that people on the message board just ASSUMED he must be guilty BECAUSE he was arrested.  The mere act of being arrested should not be part of the decision making process for whether someone is guilty.  

I would like to suggest you re-acquaint yourself with the standards of justice established by our forefathers, many who lived, fought and died within a few miles of where you live.  What you describe is a sequence of logic more appropriate for the soviet union, not the United States.

If this guy did something more threatening then just stand there, then we'll hear about it in a little bit.  But until then, stop yelling for blood.  Remember the guard at the Olympic bombing in Atlanta?  People applying the same standards of evidence as you ruined his life, cost him his career, and made him an enemy of the people....  until it eventually came out that he was innocent.  whoops.


I never said I thought he was guilty..but in today's world..you stand in front of a government building...not responding to the inquiries of the police with two suitcases..what are you going to think...I do not think they overreacted...they went on the best info they had...this guy could have stood there all day had he thought to maybe drop his stuff off at his hotel before going sightseeing and noone would have said anything. I don't want to lose freedoms to the police or for the sake of security..but one must know how to behave in certain places/situations...should we have maybe waited to see if he detonated himself to decide if we make a move?
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« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2005, 08:15:18 PM »
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should we have maybe waited to see if he detonated himself to decide if we make a move?
Let me try an analogy: According to statistics, people who commit violent crimes are more likely to be black based on prison populations.

Should we maybe wait until a black child shoots someone to decide if we make a move?

It's essentially the same scenario, but the situation and premise is so outrageous that we automatically file it in the bozo bucket where it belongs.  

Why is it that people are so willing to turn off their brains whenever someone mentions the specter of terrorism these days?  The other guy was handcuffed for 3 hours 'because after 9/11, we're all a little nervous' after a clerk was unfamiliar with $2 bills.  Was that appropriate?  No.  Does it have anything in common with this situation?  Yes, people are invoking the terror boogeyman to rationalize any misuse of power.  And yes, there is a real threat out there, but for every handsomehunk overreaction you read about in the news, the public is desensitized just a little bit more.  What happened to the boy who cried wolf at the end of the story?  I'd go check it out at the library to find out, but I'd hate to end up on a 'watchlist'.
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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2005, 09:09:42 PM »
The thing is...that 2$ bill thing...I mean come on..counterfit bills have nothing to do with terrorism and whoever was quoted for saying that was probrably just trying to make an excuse for himself..

All I was saying is..it was a suspicious looking act...and the police reacted the best they could...my brain is not turned off...but what else could they have done...sometimes police order you to move for your own safety..if you don't they will forcably move you...this guy was ordered to surrender himself and wouldn't  respond..what else could they do? Believe me I am not trying to justify Police overreacting and coming on with too much force..I just believe that in THIS situation..what choice was there? If you can come up with a better solution please let me know.
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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2005, 12:25:45 AM »
That dude would have stood there forever if he was in Chicago or NY, or some other town that isnt run by & for gang of sissies.  I lost my pocket knife (1.5" blade) last week at the natural history museum (I was going to stab the crap out of the hope diamond).  I'd had it for over 20 years...No East - West foot traffic allowed south of the whitehouse to the washington monument when the 3 presidential helicopters (2 decoys full of flunkies - probably ankle deep in puke - have to hold low & fast over downtown DC while W deplanes) are in the air.  Big lot of quivering flabby girly men they all are

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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2005, 02:02:53 AM »
Something I've been pondering...
For Lazs & other guys who think everyone  should be allowed to carry a gun: Do you think people should have a right to carry hand grenades under their jackets if they wish so?

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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2005, 02:13:08 AM »
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Something I've been pondering...
For Lazs & other guys who think everyone  should be allowed to carry a gun: Do you think people should have a right to carry hand grenades under their jackets if they wish so?


Explosives are not a protected right, guns are.

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« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2005, 02:41:24 AM »
Is it just me or does that pic remind you of that siene from the matrix?

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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2005, 03:51:49 AM »
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Explosives are not a protected right, guns are.


Well.. the powder is "protected".