Author Topic: come on bush, try carnivore 5.0 (Read 562 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #15 on:** April 15, 2005, 09:43:29 AM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Ok...so he doesn't use e-mail to keep his personal messages private...it makes sense.

Then to be logical all the US government has to stay away from emails as well to keep all those secret messages confidential...yeah riiiiight.

Unless he rates his privacy more important than the national security...

Of course, there is the remote possibility that, being too computer-illiterate to use a good cryptography software like PGP, he thinks that the hacker-for-the-media risk is a good excuse to cover his lack of PC-knowledge.....

According to an article I read this morning

"Bush once was a prolific e-mailer. But he signed off from cyberspace just before taking office in 2001 after lawyers told him that his presidential e-mail communications would be subject to legal and archival requirements"

Not because he was afraid of how secure it was.

So he doesnt think that his personal correspondance with his kids are anyones buisness.
Neither do I.

I fail to see what the big deal is.

That being said

Now Im no computer expert but even I know that no encription program is impervious. If hackers have shown one thing its that where there is a will there is a way. and they always seem to manage to find a way if for no other reason then to prove they can.

JB88 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 15, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »

i dont think that they are any of my business either.

nor are mine the government's business.

but try telling them that.

"youre on the no fly list."

"why?!"

"thats confidential."

"how do i get off of it?"

"sir, that's confidential and if you continue with this inquiry we are going to have to stamp you as a terrorist and strip you of your rights."

"i better call a lawyer."

"sorry sir, but once that happens you wont have access."

"i see, so what can i do about it?"

"be nice. write newspeak like everyone else and don't make waves...enjoy your life...or we will revoke your water priveledges...have a nice day"

Torque · « **Reply #17 on:** April 15, 2005, 11:31:44 AM »

First smart thing the man has done, why crack on him for it?

JB88 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 15, 2005, 11:39:03 AM »

im not. i think its pretty smart too.

but then again, i am not the one who sponsored the patriot act, requires loyalty oaths from my citizens for events and/or is pushing for banning private data encryption.

door should swing both ways.

Nilsen · « **Reply #19 on:** April 15, 2005, 11:58:01 AM »

JB88 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 15, 2005, 11:59:25 AM »

how'd you like that book nilsen?

i seem to recall you mentioning that you were reading it.

Nilsen · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2005, 12:22:06 PM »

Almost done with it and I only started 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure 88... I read 2/3 of it before I put it down and kinda forgot about it. Its either a masterpiece or boring. I wont be sure until I complete it I guess.

Have you read it?

Skydancer · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2005, 12:31:42 PM »

Remember AMERICON?

1984 indeed.

Skydancer · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2005, 12:47:04 PM »

I've been to Carnivore it was great. Bush realy ought to try it next time he's in Nairobi.

JB88 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2005, 01:58:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Almost done with it and I only started 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure 88... I read 2/3 of it before I put it down and kinda forgot about it. Its either a masterpiece or boring. I wont be sure until I complete it I guess.

Have you read it?

yes. great book...though i wouldnt say that i neccessarilly "enjoyed" it. (lol) i very much appreciated it.

animal farm was good too.

been a long time for both.

brave new world was a good one in that vein too. (huxley)

Nilsen · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2005, 02:04:08 PM »

hope i get to finish it tomorrow, thanks for reminding me.

i agree... animal farm is good

JB88 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2005, 02:05:39 PM »

ur welcome.

Mini D · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2005, 07:20:24 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Mini and Lazs:

Wow.... are the US govt agencies forbidden to use e-mail?

If no: do they use it to send 'confidential' information? (not the super-secret-007 stuff but any information which shouldn't be public)

If no: ok...then it is coherent

If yes: why are they allowed to when the Prez thinks it is a risk for his privacy?? Why does he let them do if it is so insecure IHO?

OK.. you really don't have a clue.

All e-mail sent between government offices is monitored for security of some sort. Sending stuff to private e-mail almost guarantees it. I seriously doubt anything all that important is done via e-mail simply because you don't even want to aproach the security line in the government.

The article is not discussing the security of sending e-mail. That's pretty much a matter of record. The article is discussing what is made available to the public on the net. You are simply confusing security with privacy.