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Offline DREDIOCK

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LW grays wrong?
« on: April 11, 2005, 09:03:57 PM »
Recently went aon a trip to Fla.
On the way home I popped into the Mighty Eighth Airforce Museum

While overall dissapointed with it I did notice something I'd thought before but couldnt quite place my finger on it

The Grays usually used in many of the German planes in models,pictures and on skins here seem to be off.

Particularly with the 109s.

I saw two seperate examples of this while there one was on the full sized 109 they have hanging and more importantly, the other are from sections they have on display of peices of a 109 skin that was shot down during the war.
To my eye it does not appear that any further touching up or painting of the peices of skin were done which leads me to beleive this was the original paintjob which leads to my point.

The Gray in both cases seems to be not a true gray but more like a greenishblueish  almost turqoise gray and not at all like the color gray we normally see used, Or even in photographs.

Odd thing is its almost like camera pictures dont pick up that particular color correctly as I've seen pictures of planes Ive seen personally and the color is wrong in the picture.

Used to think it was just me not remembering it correctly but now I know it isnt.

anyone else notice this?
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2005, 07:41:46 AM »
When it comes to LW colors, everyone is equally wrong... or right. No official records exist of official RLM colors; what we have for "reference" today is all based on B&W photo interpretation. Museum pieces have all been repainted, so those are no more accurate than anything else.

There have been many threads on this, so I won't rehash it all here. Do a search on "RLM" if you're interested in more.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2005, 10:49:27 AM »
Like Dux said, I don't think there's any kind of existing material/record for just exactly what the Luftwaffe tone of grey was like.

 There are two different opinions. The first one is like you mentioned, Dred, with the tone being more closer to 'pale blue-green' rather than 'grey'. The second one is a bit more solid grey/grey-blue.

 In my case, I go with the latter one because it simply looks prettier when its skinned that way. :)

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2005, 11:03:42 AM »
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Like Dux said, I don't think there's any kind of existing material/record for just exactly what the Luftwaffe tone of grey was like.

 There are two different opinions. The first one is like you mentioned, Dred, with the tone being more closer to 'pale blue-green' rather than 'grey'. The second one is a bit more solid grey/grey-blue.

 In my case, I go with the latter one because it simply looks prettier when its skinned that way. :)


Well if they did repaint it they did a great job of not touching the parts that were torn/ripped unless that was done afterwards which I suppose is possible.

I personally like the blue gray.
from a historical standpoint it would seem to make more sence to me because that would inable it to better blend in with both the sky and clouds.

Wouldnt surprise me with such a variety of paint schemes used if both were used though

Hmmm wonder if anyone has thought to ask former LW pilots as to the correct color LOL

Oh and if any of ya are in the area and think about visiting the museum. Dont waste your money. Its not worth the $10 per head for adults to get in. Unless seing a Me-163 is worth $10 to ya.
Personally I found it while somewhat interesting to be a waste.

Oh well. least I can say I was there
« Last Edit: April 12, 2005, 11:07:44 AM by DREDIOCK »
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2005, 12:24:56 PM »
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Hmmm wonder if anyone has thought to ask former LW pilots as to the correct color LOL


Yeah, that's been done, too. Memories fade, perceptions can be altered, preconceptions can cloud reality.

Also, remember that colors were made by many different factories, many colors were mixed in the field using old batches and even captured enemy paints. And then after being in the sun for a few days, colors can look extremely different.

There really is no way you can be proven wrong... use what you think is right. :)
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2005, 10:15:03 AM »
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Also, remember that colors were made by many different factories, many colors were mixed in the field using old batches and even captured enemy paints. And then after being in the sun for a few days, colors can look extremely different.

There really is no way you can be proven wrong... use what you think is right. :)


Yes. I visited a place where they restored old war birds a few years ago and they had a pink P-40 they were restoring and explained how the paint on the P40 warhawks after exposure to the desert for a while tended to turn pink. The person that owned the plane decided to keep it that way.

Gotta admit it looked cool in a weird way.

Me? Skin?

I lack two things for that.

The Talent
and the patience. LOL

You folks are light years ahead of where I will ever be so I leave that to you folks.

In the meantime I'll just try and help out as best I can by providing any insight or examples I might run across.

I juyst hope someday one of ya's come up with a real standout 109 f-4 I can claim as my own.
Dont get me wrong. the ones there are great.
I just want something a little louder LOL
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2005, 02:11:20 PM »
It's really not rocket science, Dred... you should give it a try. You already have the most important ingredient....

Interest.

The rest comes with practice. :)
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