Thanks, UN! We're saved!

[Elfie]

I can't believe anyone here would think this is a bad thing, well no rational person anyway.

It's not a bad thing at all. Who is required to sign this treaty? Who is responsible for ensuring enforcement? Finally, what are the consequences for 1) failure to sign the treaty, 2) failure to enforce it?


With the UN's track record I really dont see any hope of this being enforced....ever. That, is exactly what is wrong with the UN today. They pass resolutions but lack the will to enforce them.

Until the UN finds the will to enforce it's own resolutions, I feel it's best for the US to pull out.

[vorticon]

you know, its a lot easier to fix something from the inside...

[Elfie]

Originally posted by vorticon
you know, its a lot easier to fix something from the inside...

I dont believe the will to fix what is broke is there either.

[Skydancer]

Vorticon. True.

Exactly what I'm trying to say!

Together weare strong divided we fall ultimately. Why is America hell bent on going it alone? Its just not good. On a very small planet one nation persuing its own agenda over and above everyone else is not good.

[lazs2]

why fix it?  what use is it?  

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer


Together weare strong divided we fall  

Sung to the tune of Looking For A Place To Lean On.

Why is America hell bent on going it alone?

Maybe because so many countries have decided they want to be designated as soap retrievers.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Why is America hell bent on going it alone? Its just not good.

Indeed. It's far better to just sit and do nothing; after all, that's where the UN excels. Like the League of Nations before it, in fact.

Where are the Neville Chamberlains when you need them? Oh, that's right; they hang out in NYC over on the East River from 42nd to 48th Streets.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
why fix it?  what use is it?  

lazs

Ya know, I`ve got a lawn mower sitting around that needs some fixing, but I seriously doubt I will. It was a POS when I got it. If I were to fix it , it would still be a POS that wasn`t worth the trouble to begin with.

[Elfie]

Together weare strong divided we fall ultimately. Why is America hell bent on going it alone?

With the UN's track record I really dont see any hope of this being enforced....ever. That, is exactly what is wrong with the UN today. They pass resolutions but lack the will to enforce them.

Until the UN finds the will to enforce it's own resolutions, I feel it's best for the US to pull out.

The UN isnt *strong*. The UN lacks the intestinal fortitude to make the tough descions.

That answer your question?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by SkyWolf
This is interesting.... I never knew that the fine citizens of America Junior harbored so much hostility towards us.

Woof    

I'm sorry, was my statement incorrect somehow?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Timothy McViegh attacked a federal building, something the US has done in Iraq during the Gulf War and I believe the Iraq War.

How do you equate bombing a US Federal building resulting in 160 deaths to a war where strategic targets are hit?

[lazs2]

I don't want a strong UN... I have no use for powerful governments or organizations much less a one world government.

The only way I would support a UN is if it's powers were extremely limitied in scope and that is not what they want...  They can plant trees or fix sewage systems or deliver food or books or medicine.... other than that.... I want no part of em.

lazs

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Elfie
How do you equate bombing a US Federal building resulting in 160 deaths to a war where strategic targets are hit?

I'm not sure what the number of deaths have to do with it.  How many Iraqi federal employees died in the destruction of thier federal buildings?

I can compare them because they are both federal buildings.  And the US government believes that federal buildings are legitimate targets.

[SkyWolf]

Originally posted by Thrawn
I'm sorry, was my statement incorrect somehow?

Well... I wasn't actually addressing the statement.  I really was amazed that so many Canadians seemed to dislike us so much.
That said....this country was pretty divided about the Gulf War and the War in Iraq. People, as a general rule, get along better than Governments. I frequently disagree with the Actions of the US Government. But I can't control it anymore than you can. And I'm also concerned with the Right Wing's portrayal of anyone who doesn't agree with Bush as unpatriotic or pro-terrorist. Disagreeing with the Govt. is what America is all about. It's the most AMERICAN thing you can do. At least it SUPPOSED to be.
One thing to remember... this country is run by rich, old, white men. And If the 9-11 types continue to "stuff one up our oscares" then we will get it stopped. Even if we have to pave the Middle East and put up a big Gas Pump. We are big, we are strong, and we are Patriotic to a fault when attacked. We are still the Giant with a terrible resolve and we will band together to kick the $h_t out of anyone we feel threatens us....right or wrong.
Now.... I don't even know anyone who thought the War in Iraq was a good idea, or was properly researched, planned, or executed. But I'm just an old fat white guy. But I have little cash so no one in the current administration gives a rats oscar what I think.

Woof

[Torque]

Originally posted by Toad

Where are the Neville Chamberlains when you need them? Oh, that's right; they hang out in NYC over on the East River from 42nd to 48th Streets.

Yeah, they hangout with the Dulles brothers types.