Author Topic: What is corner velocity for P47D11? (Read 3894 times)

bustr · « **Reply #120 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:04:43 PM »

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Originally posted by DamnedRen

Ask him yourself....
http://www.geocities.com/cd19/

DamnedRen · « **Reply #121 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:09:59 PM »

Sorry, Bustr. I don`t have to ask him. Your statement said it all.

Ren

Shane · « **Reply #122 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:12:22 PM »

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Originally posted by bustr
Ask him yourself....

small world... i used to live less than a mile from him on madary road.

dtango · « **Reply #123 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:19:59 PM »

bustr:

Your Dad sounds like a great fella with a lot life wisdom - one of those people I would love to sit on the front porch with and just talk to and learn from! No doubt he's imparted some of that to you

. Here's a big to him!

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

SunTracker · « **Reply #124 on:** April 21, 2005, 06:48:30 PM »

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Actually your father might be a commericail pilot but you dont have a clue as to what he knows about cornering speed. It is not a function of commercial flying.

What about at very heavily trafficked commerical airports? Planes spaced about 30 seconds apart. Not turning at corner velocity might put a 747 on a collision course with another aircraft.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #125 on:** April 21, 2005, 07:00:14 PM »

Actually commercial airlines are supposed to use standard rate turns. Anything above that is considered excess and only used in emergencies.
The average standard rate turn for most jets is approx 22.5 degrees of bank angle.

Airspeeds provide separation and all planes are monitored by using whats called miles in trail. These miles in trail can be used to back aircraft up before they ever get into the airports airspace and are used to check the flow of traffic into and out of an airport as a result of the number of runways an airport can use for given weather or other circumstances.

Hope this helps.

bustr · « **Reply #126 on:** April 21, 2005, 07:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
small world... i used to live less than a mile from him on madary road.

I spent a summer working at Bay Bridge Airport off the end of the bridge on the Eastern shore. Col. Tom MacAdoo Love kept his Knight Twister there and gave arobatic lessons in his Citabria. He flew the P51 in WW2, was a test pilot for the military after the war. He died when his plane went into a cornfeild on take off from Easton airfeild back in the late 70's. Here is the only article about him and his Knight Twister that's left.

http://www.steenaerolab.com/articles_detail.cfm?ArticleID=55

DamnedRen · « **Reply #127 on:** April 21, 2005, 07:46:21 PM »

Had you known to ask him about cornering speed way back in the 70`s I`ll bet he sure know what it was and why you need to know it.

Ren

bustr · « **Reply #128 on:** April 21, 2005, 08:08:56 PM »

Ren,

I was just happy that Tom would talk to me and let my clean his windscreen. I was all of 17........

Hey Ren you been with the Damned long enough to remember slider from the early AW days?

RightF00T · « **Reply #129 on:** April 21, 2005, 08:17:07 PM »

This is starting to get ridicolous....

bustr · « **Reply #130 on:** April 21, 2005, 08:26:28 PM »

Yeah Lefty I know you are but what am I thhhuuuuppppphhhhtthhhppppppp ppp:p

Cobra412 · « **Reply #131 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:45:56 AM »

I came to this thread to learn a little more than what my books state. Since they aren't specific to any particular aircraft it's nice to get detailed information. Instead, the majority of what I found was a bunch of smartarse comments from our veterans.

And no watermelon Shane ofcourse you can learn through trial and error. Any idiot knows that. That takes alot of extra time to learn opposed to having detailed information sitting in front of you that you can study and then put into action. Granted this doesn't mean someone can read a book and all of a sudden their an expert in that field. You still have to test what you've learned and fine tune it from there.

To say just learn by trial and error when there is more detailed information available is retarded. Some may not want to take the time to learn via studies and practical training and that's their choice. Having a strong base to start off with is crucial though if you want to learn quickly and have success in the process. If this weren't the case then why do the majority of successful technical training courses have book type studies and practical use training opposed to purely OJT? With your training method we'd be throwing troops right out onto the line the second they graduate basic training. I can assure you that someone who's got purely OJT and no other background training will take longer to bring up to speed than someone who has not only background training but practical use training too.

Don · « **Reply #132 on:** April 22, 2005, 09:50:34 AM »

>>it's obvious they are on top of the food chain and know all there is to know about the subject.<<

No, they don't know all there is to know; if this were true, they would be untouchable, and noone in the game is that.
You jumped to Suntracker's defense pretty quickly, and also jumped all over Yucca as quickly; I saw it as unnecessary. True they (Yucca et al) may have handled their response to Suntracker badly at first but, all ST had to do was ask again, and/or disagree; instead he said for all to read that he is awesome in the P47

Now, I can tell ya, the way it is in here; when a person makes a statement like "I'm awesome.." etc. that will likely result in some ribbing because everyone in here see's himself as the hottest fiter pilit that ever was.

...Shane being a perfect example of that

OTOH, I am aware that both Shane and Yucca have helped newbies, and have taken time to offer advice and also to spar with new folks. Yucca is well known for his handling of the Jug, and Shane...well Shane will tell you he is the best at anything with virtual wings

But, he is damned good, and it took him time to learn.
I agree with them both, to look up cornering speed while in a fight will get ya keeled; it is a thing which must be known almost intuitively if it is to do you any good at all. A thing whic allows you to glance down at your airspeed indicator and keep an eye on your nme at the same time. From what I read, they meant that but, perhaps egos got in the way; hell they are very good, and therefore take liberties; that doesn't change their level of skill or, their knowledge of how to win in a fight.

Widewing · « **Reply #133 on:** April 22, 2005, 12:27:34 PM »

Here's a little test you can do that will teach you the value of corner speed. This was suggested to me by Vlado Lenoch, who owns and flies a P-51D (Moonbeam McSwine) and a T-33.

Flying level over water at corner speed at 2,000 feet, roll inverted and pull through a half-loop. You want to get the tightest half-loop you can manage. Note your altitude when level again.

Now repeat this at 200 mph. You will discover that you will end up much closer to the water than you were when half-looping at corner speed (generally in the 220-250 mph range depending on type and weight).

Try it at different speeds.

Nothing better explains the value of corner speed than actually seeing it work.

My regards,

Widewing

Cobra412 · « **Reply #134 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:24:45 PM »

Don you've made a very good point. Against a skilled player you don't have much time to be glancing at your indicators. Against lesser skilled players you would. This is essentially where they could try to fine tune the knowledge they've gained and "get the feel" for their best performance characteristics. Once they are knocking these folks down with little to no effort like Shane, Yucca and the rest of the top notched players do to the better players then they'll know they are progressing well. Then it's a matter of stepping it up a notch and fine tuning even more. That will only come with experience of flying against the top players in the game. It still may not make you a Shane, Yucca or Leviathn but it won't be a guarantee that they'll beat you every time.