2005 Campus Outrage Awards

[Thrawn]

Gunslinger, where in the article is Summers' scientific data mentioned, or did you just make that up?

[Samiam]

9,256 Postsecondary Institutions in the US

15.3M Students Attending

783,000 Instructional and Research Faculty

1.6M Professional/Administrative Staff

Five "outrages" noted here.

Is Higher Ed a bastion of liberalism - one could argue so, especially in the liberal arts (hey, there's a clue!) programs. Not so much so in engineering and business schools.

But college students are presumably adults and really are capable of filtering out the crap and making up their own minds.

Remember, most colleges and universities are meeting a market demand. Even those so-called state funded institutions have a fraction of their funding actually coming from the state. So there is a demand being met.

What's the saying - if you're not a liberal when you are 20, you have no heart and if you're not a conservative when you're 50 you have no brains?

If we are condeming entire industries based on a few outrages, we maybe should start with the energy sector, or professional athletics, or the brokerages, or real estate, or....

U.S. Higher Ed's track record aint bad when it comes to legitimately producing what it is established to produce. People from all over the world wish to study at our institutions and U.S. educated people eclipse the world in terms of innovation, business leadership, and productivity.

And before you accuse me of being a leftist appologist for higher ed: I'm a registered republican, have an arsenal of 30+ collectible and modern firearms, and love off-roading in my '94 Ford Bronco.

[lazs2]

mt.. tell your wife that I think the Aclu is more about squashing and banning things than about assuring that I have the liberty to say and do them.

lazs

[bustr]

Originally posted by midnight Target
I was gonna post something sarcastic about the 'real' good old days, but you are probably too young to remember them.

The American Civil Liberties Union is tasked to defending Civil Liberties. I think Civil Liberties are a good thing... don't you?

Roger Baldwin, the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union, once said, "I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

The ACLU dosent seem to have strayed to far..................Civil Liberties seems to be what the ACLU sues you into silence and accepting what they are now days, take the Boy Scouts for example, or Christianity in the U.S, or the rights of pedaphilic degenerites in NAMBLA ............. Any of you BB members here in the U.S. have son's 5-10? The ACLU is defending NAMBLA's civil rights to share information on how to seduce your children...............

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Gunslinger, where in the article is Summers' scientific data mentioned, or did you just make that up?

asuming the fact that he's a scientist/professor speaking at Harvard to a bunch of other scientists one would suffice he is speaking of science or refferring to some sort of scientific research.

Maybe you havnt heard of the case maybe you have, look it up and read the details for yourself.  Don't apply liberal BBS OC argument method to everything in life, you might miss something.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
asuming the fact that he's a scientist/professor speaking at Harvard to a bunch of other scientists one would suffice he is speaking of science or refferring to some sort of scientific research.

That's better, at least you're saying it's an assumption.

Maybe you havnt heard of the case maybe you have, look it up and read the details for yourself.

You prove your case yourself.

 

Don't apply liberal BBS OC argument method to everything in life, you might miss something. [/B]

Oh I see, you think that critical thought is solely the perview of "liberals".  And you go ahead and make another assumption, in that I apply it to everything in life.  Perhaps I do, but there are alot worse things I can be obessive about than separting fact from fantasy and truth from fiction.  And I imagine the only thing I would be missing out on is making decisions based bad information.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by bustr
Roger Baldwin, the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union, once said, "I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

The ACLU dosent seem to have strayed to far..................Civil Liberties seems to be what the ACLU sues you into silence and accepting what they are now days, take the Boy Scouts for example, or Christianity in the U.S, or the rights of pedaphilic degenerites in NAMBLA ............. Any of you BB members here in the U.S. have son's 5-10? The ACLU is defending NAMBLA's civil rights to share information on how to seduce your children...............

Yea, Baldwin was a pinko, but the organization he founded is better than the man. Kinda like the FBI isn't just cross dressing homosexuals.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea, Baldwin was a pinko, but the organization he founded is better than the man. Kinda like the FBI isn't just cross dressing homosexuals.

Dude, now that is funny.

Who wrote it for you?



-Sik

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by bustr
Roger Baldwin, the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union, once said, "I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

Only jealous people are communists..they can't make it on their own..so they try to take it from everybody else.

It is not in human nature to not want to own property and have nice things.  Therefore ideas like his can never work.

And the ACLU has an instruction manual on how to illegally immigrate into the US..yeah..these guys are on our side:rolleyes:

[bustr]

MT,

Cool then you are ok with pedophiles sharing how to seduce and rape prepubesint boys. Thats what the ACLU is attempting to take to the Supream Court. Gee I dind't know you cared. If they win you gonna march in the first memorial parade in SF to celebrate the civil right of pedophilia?

The ACLU is kinda like a doctor who finds cures for things like AIDS, but along the way gets busted for 1st degree murder with 12 eye witnesses who say he just walked up to the 5 year old kid and blew his brains out. I guess we have to excuse him from the rules of right and wrong because it looked like he saved millions of lives before he killed the kid.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by bustr
MT,

Cool then you are ok with pedophiles sharing how to seduce and rape prepubesint boys. Thats what the ACLU is attempting to take to the Supream Court. Gee I dind't know you cared. If they win you gonna march in the first memorial parade in SF to celebrate the civil right of pedophilia?

The ACLU is kinda like a doctor who finds cures for things like AIDS, but along the way gets busted for 1st degree murder with 12 eye witnesses who say he just walked up to the 5 year old kid and blew his brains out. I guess we have to excuse him from the rules of right and wrong because it looked like he saved millions of lives before he killed the kid.

So how free would you like speech to be?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Thrawn
That's better, at least you're saying it's an assumption.




You prove your case yourself.

 
 

Oh I see, you think that critical thought is solely the perview of "liberals".  And you go ahead and make another assumption, in that I apply it to everything in life.  Perhaps I do, but there are alot worse things I can be obessive about than separting fact from fantasy and truth from fiction.  And I imagine the only thing I would be missing out on is making decisions based bad information.

no you moron this was a guy doing research who was invited to give a speech.  During that speech he said that woman are less apt at science for biological reasons....IE WOMAN ARE DIFFERENT  (biology 101)

the liberal left and feminazis went after him for his study INTO science.  All the article is claiming is the W's.  you want more specific information go look for it.  Just cause what I posted doesnt mention it doesnt mean.....Oh why bother.  Do I have to post a backround check of Dr. Summers too??

http://www.president.harvard.edu/biography/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4183495.stm

http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~lai/nytsummers.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/education/18harvard.html

http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031605WC.shtml

http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article505387.html

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4167

http://www.kurakani.tk/Article390.phtml

http://www.dunndailyrecord.com/main.asp?ArticleID=64927&SectionID=10

http://pubsociology.typepad.com/pub/2005/01/dude_what_is_la.html

so you agree that if inelectual thought offends woman we should abandon it all together??????

First is what Dr. Summers calls the "high-powered job hypothesis," where success demands putting in 80-hour weeks, and men are more willing or capable to do so. In support of how marriage and family impact women's careers, he added that when one does see women in the higher reaches of science, they tend to be unmarried or have no children.

Dr. Summers' second hypothesis is that there are sex differences in IQ and aptitude at the high end, and his third is that socialization and discrimination might explain some of the underrepresentation.
 

OMG what a pig....what statments to make.  This is so common sense that it must be offesive.....get the pitch forks!

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
no you moron this was a guy doing research who was invited to give a speech.  During that speech he said that woman are less apt at science for biological reasons....IE WOMAN ARE DIFFERENT  (biology 101)

No he didn't, there you go making assumptions again.  He presented it as a possible hypothesis, he didn't present any "scientific data" to back up the claim.

"In his remarks last week, Summers pointed to research showing that girls are less likely to score top marks than boys in standardized math and science tests, even though the median scores of both sexes are comparable. He said yesterday that he did not offer any conclusion for why this should be so but merely suggested a number of possible hypotheses."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19181-2005Jan18.html


[QUTOE]the liberal left and feminazis went after him for his study INTO science.[/QUOTE]

There was no study.  He observed a trend, and offered up a hypothesis as an explanation with no data to back it up, which isn't even science, it's just guessing.

so you agree that if inelectual thought offends woman we should abandon it all together??????

What the heck is intellectual about about factless postulates, you should know, you are doing a fair bit of it yourself in this thread.

 

OMG what a pig....what statments to make.  This is so common sense that it must be offesive.....get the pitch forks!

Heh, common sense tells us that the sun goes around the earth.  You can see it happen every day.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by bustr
Cool then you are ok with pedophiles sharing how to seduce and rape prepubesint boys. Thats what the ACLU is attempting to take to the Supream Court. Gee I dind't know you cared. If they win you gonna march in the first memorial parade in SF to celebrate the civil right of pedophilia?

Hmmm... seems to me that the ACLU advocates personal responsibility.

ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations
 
August 31, 2000
 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.

http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=8100&c=86

As for the Boy Scouts, the Supreme Court ruling states that it is within a private organization's rights to discriminate against whom they please. That's all fine and good, but these same organizations cannot expect to be able to do so on public land or facilities. The Supreme Court ruling last year says as much. You can blame the ACLU all you want, but they didn't write the Constitution or make the laws.

[Gunslinger]

factless postulates

Heh, common sense tells us that the sun goes around the earth. You can see it happen every day.

I don't know about you thrawn but when I check my jock I don't have a vagina in there.  I'm also farily certain that 99.9999% of the woman I've dated didn't have a noodle.

I don't need a scietific study to tell me that woman and men are different.  You can disagree with this all you want for all I care.  Check your shorts and go play doctor with some girl and learn for yourself.

PS formulating a hypothisis from trends is science how ever you want to look at it.