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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2005, 01:42:41 AM »
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the forehead?


It does have a bit of the mongaloid look to it.

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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2005, 02:49:05 AM »
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Will it get airborne?


Um, look at the 4 planet eaters hanging off the wings.

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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2005, 03:07:12 AM »
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what time is that flight ?


The first flight will start in aprox 25 minutes from now in Toulouse, France (10:30h local time).
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.

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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2005, 03:37:47 AM »
it  kinda reminds me of a fancy guppy.

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« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2005, 03:44:53 AM »
I'd rather have this thing flying over my house than that damned Concorde! - that thing used to make my windows rattle. :mad:

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« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2005, 09:38:25 AM »
It'll make a bigger hole if it stops fying though Beetle!:lol

Concorde was a beautifull technical triumph!

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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2005, 10:06:07 AM »
It's so odd, there seem to be two main crowds posting here.  The 'Boeing sucks, and I'll say/do anything to further that agenda' crowd, and then the 'Airbus sucks, and I'll say/do anything to further that agenda' crowd.

What's that?  The descriptions are identical?  Well yeah, no crap.

Reading these threads is like watching hardliner liberal Soviets argue with hardliner conservative Nazi's.  Both of them abhor each other, but they both do the same stuff.  It's funny, it's as if the partisanship actually WRAPS around and touches the other side.  With just a little help, the Boeing and Airbus nuts would be bestesses of friends.

Fact: The A380 is neat.
Fact: The 747 is neat.

Almost every criticism applied to the 380 was applied to the 747 when it came out, and you Boeing fanboys are looking really stupid for trotting out those old chestnuts.

Likewise, Boeing has a fine safety record, and has done more with less subsidy then Airbus, but that's just the business model that the US supports, so you Airbus jockeys look like idiots for constantly pulling out the same tired old 'Boeing is ze funded by government too!' argument.  

The companies have different financials, do different things good and different things bad.  One thing they both share in common is that they create fine aircraft that set and maintain standards of quality and design that are alien to all other large scale industries.
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« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2005, 11:54:16 AM »
Chairboy the voice of reason:aok

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« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2005, 12:10:36 PM »
The scarebus design team must have been big sega fans back in the day.

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« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2005, 01:18:58 PM »
she flew, wow! awesome plane :D
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« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2005, 10:45:51 PM »
Henh.

I got bumper stickers..

"If it ain't a Boeing, I ain't going".

Frankly, just based on where it's built and their reputation for non-functional or argumenative autopilot casualties coupled with how and who's certifying 'em all seem somewhat 'troubling' to me.. hell; even the US Navy shoots at 'em for fear the things will drop tails or engines on 'em when they go over. Terrorists like 'em cause they go 'BANG' so easy...

Airbus Fatalities, by A/C Type:  

3 July 1988; Iranair A300; Persian Gulf, near Straits of Hormuz: Aircraft was shot down by a surface to air missile from the American naval vessel U.S.S. Vincennes. All 16 crew and 274 passengers were killed.

28 September 1992; Pakistan International Airlines A300B4; near Katmandu, Nepal: The crew was flying the aircraft was flying an approach about 1600 feet (1000 meters) lower than planned when the aircraft collided with high ground. The event happened in daylight and with cloud shrouding the mountains. All 12 crew and 155 passengers were killed.
 
26 April 1994; China Airlines A300-600; Nagoya, Japan: Crew errors led to the aircraft stalling and crashing during approach. [/b All 15 crew and 249 of the 264 passengers were killed.

24 December 1994; Air France A300; Algiers Airport, Algeria: Hijackers killed 3 of the 267 passengers. Later, commandos retook the aircraft and killed four hijackers.

26 September 1997; Garuda Indonesian Airways A300B4; near Medan, Indonesia: The aircraft was on approach to Medan on a flight from Jakarta when it crashed in a mountainous area about 19 miles (30 km) from the airport. Extensive smoke and haze from numerous forest fires caused reduced visibility in the area. All 12 crew members and 222 passengers were killed.

16 February 1998; China Airlines A300-600; near Taipei, Taiwan: The aircraft crashed into a residential area short of the runway during its second landing attempt. The scheduled flight had been inbound from the island of Bali in Indonesia. The event occurred under conditions of darkness with rain and reduced visibility due to fog. All 15 crew and 182 passengers were killed. At least seven persons on the ground were also killed.

12 November 2001; American Airlines A300-600; Queens, New York: The aircraft was on a flight from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic when it crashed into a residential neighborhood just outside JFK airport. The aircraft experienced an in-flight breakup, with the vertical fin and one engine landing away from the main impact site. There were a number of homes damaged or destroyed by the crash, and at least six people on the ground are missing and presumed dead. All nine crew members and 251 passengers on the aircraft were killed, including five infants.

31 July 1992; Thai International A310-300; near Katmandu, Nepal: The aircraft had a controlled flight into terrain about 22.5 miles (36 km) from the airport after apparently using an incorrect procedure for a missed approach. All 14 crew and 99 passengers were killed.

22 March 1994; Russian International Airways A310; near Novokuznetsk, Russia: Lost control and crashed after the captain had allowed at least one child to manipulate the flight controls. All 12 crew and 63 passengers were killed.

31 March 1995; Tarom Romanian Airlines A310; near Balotesti, Romania: Aircraft crashed shortly after taking off in a snowstorm. All 10 crew and 50 passengers were killed.

11 December 1998; Thai Airways International A310-200; near Surat Thani, Thailand: During its third landing attempt, the aircraft crashed just outside the Surat Thani airport. The aircraft was on a domestic flight from Bangkok to Surat Thani. There were 90 fatalities among the 132 passengers and 11 fatalities among the 14 crew members.

30 January 2000; Kenya Airways A310-300; near Abidjan, Ivory Coast: The aircraft crashed into the Atlantic Ocean shortly after taking off at night for a flight from Abidjan to Lagos, Nigeria. All 11 crew members and 158 of the 168 passengers were killed.

26 June 1988; Air France A320; near Mulhouse-Habsheim Airport, France: The aircraft crashed into trees during an air show maneuver when the aircraft failed to gain height during a low pass with the gear extended. Three of the 136 passengers were killed.

14 February 1990; Indian Airlines A320; Bangalore, India: Controlled flight into terrain during approach. Aircraft hit about 400 meters short of the runway. Four of the seven crew members and 88 of the 139 passengers were killed.

20 January 1992; Air Inter A320; near Strasbourg, France: Aircraft had a controlled flight into terrain after the flight crew incorrectly set the flight management system. Five of the six crew and 82 of the 87 passengers perished.

14 September 1993; Lufthansa A320-200; Warsaw Airport, Poland: Aircraft landed with a tail wind. Landing performance and aircraft design led to a late deployment of braking devices. Aircraft overran the runway. One of the 6 crew and 1 of the 64 passengers were killed.

23 August 2000; Gulf Air A320; Near Manama, Bahrain: The aircraft was making a third attempt to land at the Bahrain International Airport after a flight from Cairo when the aircraft crashed into the sea about three miles (4.8 km) from the airport. All eight crew members and 135 passengers were killed.

I guess the 'smart cockpit' ain't all that smart.. on the other hand; as long as it ain't raining, foggy, snowy, night or the burning season, and as long as there ain't any terrorists or US Navy warships in the area on high alert, or any pesky high terrain like mountains or trees anywhere near where your supposed to land (on the third attempt) you could get get lucky and receive one of Airbus's free 'I flew Airbus and LIVED!!" t-shirts while yer waiting around the airport for a few extra hours waiting on a Boeing to deliver yer luggage.

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2005, 12:03:16 AM »
Yup. Just one. The tail fell off.

No biggie. They fall off of Boeings too.. but if I'm gonna die on an airplane, I'd rather go in on a Boeing. If shoddy workmanship is gonna kill my un-worthy ass, I just as soon have it be good 'ol Ammerricun Shoddy Workmanship, rather than French Ineptness.

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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2005, 03:18:01 AM »
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's so odd, there seem to be two main crowds posting here.  The 'Boeing sucks, and I'll say/do anything to further that agenda' crowd, and then the 'Airbus sucks, and I'll say/do anything to further that agenda' crowd.

What's that?  The descriptions are identical?  Well yeah, no crap.

Reading these threads is like watching hardliner liberal Soviets argue with hardliner conservative Nazi's.  Both of them abhor each other, but they both do the same stuff.  It's funny, it's as if the partisanship actually WRAPS around and touches the other side.  With just a little help, the Boeing and Airbus nuts would be bestesses of friends.

Fact: The A380 is neat.
Fact: The 747 is neat.
Like Skydancer, I agree with this - and the rest of Chairboy's post. Does the existence of one aircraft production company invalidate the existence of any other? No, of course not. But those rants are akin to people refusing to take a taxi in Paris if it's a Citroen, because their home country produces Fords.

The A380 will perform well in designated roles, but won't be suited to other uses. But to condemn it out of hand is as ridiculous as refusing to eat a meal cooked on an electric stove because your stove at home uses gas. In this analogy, "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" would become "if it ain't gas heat then I won't eat". :rolleyes:

If making a trip by plane, I'll go on whatever plane is provided. I haven't seen anything to convince me that Boeing is safer than Airbus, or vice-versa. Both have taken me to the parts that other modes of transport cannot reach.

The fundamental difference between the two types is that Boeing has "conventional" controls, and Airbus uses fly-by-wire. According to a TV documentary I saw, the trend is a one way ticket towards the latter. (I think this is what rankles with the pro-Boeing/anti-Airbus guys) Thus the purists will argue that control is being taken away from the pilots. Some might argue that this is bad; those in favour might argue that 45% of all aircraft accidents are caused by pilot error as a means of justifying FBW.

Commercially, I think A380 will be successful, not as a continental USA city hopper, but for long range flights to remote destinations where airports are sparse - Australia, Asia - and with operators who fly to those destinations.  The CEO of Virgin Atlantic is Richard Branson - a man of vision if ever there was one. (I wish he was running for PM in our election - I'd sure as hell vote for him) And he has ordered several of them. I think the gymnasium idea will be a short term marketing ploy, but a guy like RB would not be ordering A380 if he was unsure of its role in his airline.

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2005, 03:22:56 AM »
nice post beet1e

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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2005, 04:40:03 AM »
A380 will carry the same number of passengers as 747, but they will all be much fatter