Air Canada chooses Boeing 777s, 787s

[Nilsen]

Airlines don't care and neither do the passengers if the price is right.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by mora
Yes it will. Out of memory the A380-800 will be hauling around 800 eventually and the A380-900 around 1000. At the moment it takes 550 in a very low density 3 class configuration. A 747 with a similar configuration and seat pitch will take less than 400.

At the current configuration it's around 20% more economical in fuel consumption per passenger.

WRONG

503 was a typical seating arrangement that we saw on Virgin and BA's aircraft in the late 90's.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
The A380 will load up to 853 passangers, i dont call this marginally.

There are 747's hauling close to 700, I believe it's 703, but 853 pax will be just the same, packed like sardines, and only in asian markets.

Again, they are competitors.

[Staga]

Nobody knows what will happen and discussing about it is pretty worthless. Better wait few years and see what happens.

[mora]

Originally posted by Bodhi
WRONG

503 was a typical seating arrangement that we saw on Virgin and BA's aircraft in the late 90's.

In a 3 class layout the 747-400 usually takes around 450. With the same seat pitch in economy as the A380-800 in the initial configuration it will not take over 400. I don't have the exact figures nor have the desire to find them but I know my figures are in the ballpark.

I'd say the A380-800 has around 1.3 times the floor space of the 747-400 in the passenger compartment. If someone has figures about this I'd be interested to see them.

Yep, the 747-400 is the nearest competitor but I find it quite unlikely that anyone will order any great number of them in the future. The A380 won't be any less economical even if it would be fitted with the same number of seats as the 747.

[Habu]

Who said no one is going to order 747's in the future?

[mora]

Originally posted by Habu
Who said no one is going to order 747's in the future?

I did. I edited my post to hopefully more understandable form.

[Fishu]

The 747 sales have actually fell down to almost nothing.
Even though Boeing is ready to produce larger and more advanced versions of the 747, the airlines would rather have Boeing design a whole new plane.
It's a nice plane, but so are the DC-3's, which we don't see anymore in the commercial traffic (the very few commercially operated are exceptions).
Time of each.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by mora
I wonder what happens if the 787 doesn't meet it's ambitious performance specifications? Another MD-11?

Boeing says 787 is over weight target

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Boeing Co. said Tuesday that its new 787 commercial jet is heavier than its target weight, but an executive said that the plane is ahead of where the 777 model's target weight was during its development process. Mike Bair, general manager of the 787 program, said the company is not very concerned about the 787's weight. "It's fair to say every new airplane has its weight problems," Bair said during a teleconference update on the plane's progress.

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A380.... B777... B787... all have crossed the target weight.
I remember here been fairly alot talking particularly of the A380 crossing the target weight.
Apparently seems to be arather common thing, regardless of the company.