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Offline GtoRA2

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« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2005, 10:02:12 PM »
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if you guys are this avid about not helping law enforcement enforce current gun laws and/or finding people who use guns for crimes (they are the reason liberals want to take your guns away in the first place) then why do you even buy guns with serial numbers on them?



The Libs I know have many reasons to take away guns but most do not have anything to do with crime.

It's all crap like.

Civilised societys do not have guns.

Or guns are bad(and I am a huge *****)and I dont like them so no one should have them cause they are bad.

Hunting is mean and we don't need to do that so we don't need guns.

Guns are just to make people feel more manly and since I am a metrosexual, all men should be so they dont need guns.

It is a right they do not like or care about so they want it taken away. (Not all, just the anti gun libs, I know a fairly high number of libs who love guns, just not enough to vote republican)(not that the so called republicans are that much better, thank you arny for banning .50 cal rifles you muscle headed over acting avacado!)

Crime may be a part but why then do they always focus on laws that **** with the law abiding and do nothing to stop crime!


Did you hit your head Guns??
First this and then the Firefly thread? My god man!!
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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2005, 10:33:08 PM »
How ****ing redicules

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« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2005, 02:39:06 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Does anyone have an idea how we can prevent gun violence?


After thouroughly considering this weighty problem, the only solution I could come up with is to punish law-abiding gun owners. So I guess I'm now a Liberal Democrat.
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« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2005, 04:53:33 AM »
Course You could just chuck your guns away! Then all this upset angst, hassle, about the damn things would end! There might even be less chance of getting shot by ammo with or without serial numbers!:lol  

I know I know you won't do that because its all great in America with your guns and  everywhere that doesn't have or need them is crap and filled with (insert derogatory term here)!

:rolleyes:

Ok i'll leave you to your gun masturbation.

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« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2005, 05:50:43 AM »
If You're a law-abiding citizen then what harm would serial numbers in bullets do?

Or are You having something to hide?

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« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2005, 06:55:49 AM »
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Originally posted by Staga
If You're a law-abiding citizen then what harm would serial numbers in bullets do?

Or are You having something to hide?


I have all kinds of things to hide....... but none of them have anything to do with bullets. How are we supposed to get rid of guns? Some law abiding folks might turn them in (I wouldn't) and exactlly zero criminals would. Maybe if we make them totally illegal like they did in NYC then we can stop the problem like they did.  :D


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« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2005, 09:08:44 AM »
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If You're a law-abiding citizen then what harm would serial numbers in bullets do?

 


If you're a law abiding citizen who owns an ammo manufacturing business then it'll drive you out of business if you don't have the half a mil to retool your equipment to comply with the new law.

If you're a law abiding citizen who pays taxes then your taxes will rise, however slightly, to pay for the enforcement of these new regulations.

If you're a law abiding citizen who enjoys shooting sports then your hobby will get much more expensive.

If you're a criminal who gets his guns and ammo from the junkie burgular on the black market then this law will have no effect on you.

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« Reply #97 on: April 28, 2005, 09:15:03 AM »
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If you're a law abiding citizen who enjoys shooting sports then your hobby will get much more expensive.

If you're a criminal who gets his guns and ammo from the junkie burgular on the black market then this law will have no effect on you.



Surely these 2 statements are contradictory?

If the cost to law abiding citizens goes up, the number of law abiding citizens with guns will probably go down, which means the junkie burgular will have less guns to steal, which means the supply will go down, which means the price to the criminal goes up.

(This is the principle behind most laws targetting supply of guns, of course, and is also used as a justification for unecessary controls that do nothing but drive up prices)

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« Reply #98 on: April 28, 2005, 09:24:51 AM »
speaking of masterbation... Skyprancer... would you be willing to show id and regester to get an internet connection?   You would then have the server by federal law, track your every move on the internet.   you would be charged 1/2 cent for every site that you visited (it might cost a little more to administer so it might go up "slightly" later on to 20 or 30 cents a site).

All these records would be kept on you and it would all be worth it if... if it saved just ONE child from a child molester.  What is a "little expense" and a tiny loss of privacy compared to the life of.... EVEN ONE CHILD?   As a bonus.... most sex sites would simply shut down do to lack of browser activity.

MT asks a good question and I believe that I (and many others) have the answer.

I believe that it is time to get tough on gun crime.  I believe long mandatory sentances for SERIOUS gun crime are in order.   Using the gun in the commision of a crime should be so heinous that it will not be worth it.

an example is the postal service.   The penalty for tampering with mail is way too high for the rewards.   Interstate trafficing in stolen goods.... many examples are out there.  

No penalty is 100% but... they all cut the crimes targeted by a large percent.  

You have to ask yourself... if it is possible to reduce gun crime by a large margin with penalties....  Why aren't the anti gun people advocating it?

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« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2005, 09:27:28 AM »
and nashwan... you admit that the only way the law works is by punishing law abiding... in other words, you note that if less people are able to afford guns or get through the red tape then there will be a smaller pool of them?  

do you advocate huge fees and restrictions on motorcycles to cut down on useless motorcycle deaths?  How bout swimming?

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« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2005, 09:29:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Skydancer

I know I know you won't do that because its all great in America with your guns and  everywhere that doesn't have or need them is crap and filled with (insert derogatory term here)!
 


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« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2005, 09:45:03 AM »
hey skyprancer... I don't tell anyone they have to have a firearm... I do my best to make sure that it is their choice tho..

Just as the founders wanted.

Just like I don't do anything to shut down the sites you like to visit.

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« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2005, 09:52:52 AM »
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and nashwan... you admit that the only way the law works is by punishing law abiding


Not punishing, restricting. Just as people are restricted in the speed they can drive, even if they are very good drivers, pilots have to get licences, aircraft have to be registered, some businesses are subject to regulation, require permits, etc.

Cars are all subject to registration, I don't recall any of your threads here bemoaning that fact.

Why is the registration and licencing of a car, and notifying the authorities of it's transfer acceptable to you, but the same system for guns unacceptable?

I mean, if you drive around without a unique number affixed to your car where the police can clearly see it, you'll be stopped, but somehow it's unaceptable if your bullets can be traced?

It's acceptable to have the costs of transport increased by registration and lciencing, but not guns?

As a point of principle, if a cheap and workable system of ammunition tracing was technically available (say a microscopic plate embedded in each bullet), would you be against it? In principle, forget the technical details.

(And it seems to me they might be able to embedded rfid chips into bullets at fractional cost soon)

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in other words, you note that if less people are able to afford guns or get through the red tape then there will be a smaller pool of them?


Isn't that just logic?

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do you advocate huge fees and restrictions on motorcycles to cut down on useless motorcycle deaths?


I'm not advocating anything, just adding my thoughts.

But no, I would not "advocate" trying to cut down the number of motorbikes that way. Motorbikes are transport, and  without transport more people will die, not less.

I'm in favour of licencing motorbike riders, to ensure they are competent, and registration of motobikes. I think both things are pretty sensible.

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« Reply #103 on: April 28, 2005, 09:59:32 AM »
"Just like I don't do anything to shut down the sites you like to visit."

And what does this mean? care to explain? Be careful before you slander me!

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« Reply #104 on: April 28, 2005, 10:00:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Surely these 2 statements are contradictory?

If the cost to law abiding citizens goes up, the number of law abiding citizens with guns will probably go down, which means the junkie burgular will have less guns to steal, which means the supply will go down, which means the price to the criminal goes up.

 


So basically your goal is to make firearms ownership economically prohibitive for all but the wealthy?

:rolleyes: