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Offline Bodhi

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2005, 05:53:57 PM »
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No. Illegal acts benefited Germany, just like your crimes benefit you.


LOL, illegal acts benefiting Germany, which ones... please elaborate.
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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2005, 06:11:57 PM »
GS....america bad..click...america bad...click...america bad....click...america bad....click...america bad....click


hey somebody change that broken record.
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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2005, 06:57:08 PM »
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Aggressive War. We've been over this already.


You defended Hitlers earlier policies when you said was "Hitler did do the right thing at the right time for Germany ... of course, later he did the wrong thing at the wrong time and lost it all."

You must have agreed with the Nazi policies of the 30's in order to think Hitler did the right thing for Germany.  Those things, like eugenics, purging of political opposition, krystallnacht: those things were the policies of the 30's.

Later on was the agressive war.

and you're the one with the jukebox.
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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2005, 07:49:01 PM »
Since the aggressive war started in Sept '39, the only thing before the "later on" period was the 30's.

It's tough to defend your statement isn't it?
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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2005, 08:05:44 PM »
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The invasion of Iraq was a criminal act of aggressive war.


As was Grenada and Panama...(as well as the Iran Contra scandal)
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2005, 08:07:06 PM »
Your selective amnesia may be handy but it is not an appropriate argument tactic.

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Sure. Hitler did do the right thing at the right time for Germany ... of course, later he did the wrong thing at the wrong time and lost it all.

The US did the right thing at the right time for corporate America.


You brought up Hitler.

You said he did the right thing before he did bad.

You said aggressive war was bad.

Therefore you believe Hitler did good before he waged aggressive war.

The aggressive war began September 1, 1939

Therefore you believe Hitler did good before September 1, 1939.

You brought up Hitler, You brought up the 30’s by default.

Your statement was faulty.

You lose the debate.
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2005, 01:47:01 AM »
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france and germany and russia did not want the gulf war resumed because of the "oil for food" profits.


Try to engage your brain before posting. Oil for food "profits" as you call them were spread over firms belonging to many countries and not exclusively to the nations that you name. The kickbacks that I suspect you are alluding to were worth tens of millions of dollars at best. Now compare this relatively small amount to:

a) the value of the existing trade between the nations you list and the USA.

b) the potential value of trade between Iraq and nations you list should sanctions be lifted.

Your contention that France, Russia et al would jeopardise such huge trade revenues in order to protect comparatively insignificant sums on behalf of a few of their nationals implicated in dodgy Iraqi oil deals basically makes no sense.

You do see that don't you?
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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2005, 04:59:25 AM »
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I would think it means: movements done outside normal governmental channels, ie in secret.

That document you linked basically says that the ISG team was unable to determine, one way or the other, if WMD's were in fact moved to Syria or not. In other words, they just dont know.


Elf based on your statements on this issue since the beginning of the war in Iraq I dont see how you can  have it both ways.

Back then my Pres says: Imminent danger. WMD's are located.
And you and others supported and believed this statement.

By the way this isnt a problem as that was then and this is now:)
If Iraq stabilizes then yahooo and whooopeee. We will have a stable and marginally free country in the ME ,besides Israel.

And this is damn good news and about time.


Now my Pres says: Oops we made a mistake but Sadam baaaaad. Sadaam gone. So all is good.

All evidence supports the Presidents statements now, that there are NO WMD's.

So you disagree with the President now?
You think there are WMD's hiding somewhere even though the administration says this isnt so? So you are now saying the Pres is lying? :)

I think the right needs to get over it. There were never any significant amounts of wmd's. Hence they( significant amounts) wont be found:)

Let us all move on.

Let us hope that Iraq becomes a stable country in the ME.
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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2005, 09:18:39 AM »
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Hitler's policies were pulling the heart out of Germany before the invasion of Poland.  He put it all down in Mein Kampf.

The effect of the invasion of Poland was to bring the military power of several nations against him.  Had he not invaded Poland, greater Germany may still include Austria and Czechoslovakia.  That is why I found it difficult to believe that you could have possibly thought that the early stages of the war were good for Germany.  

The British first bombed the German Navy only a few days after Sept 1. The war and Hitler's related policies were killing German civilians and military from the beginning. The war was bad for Germany.  You know that.

To parallel Hitler's Germany and America is patently ridiculous.  Hitler killed his political opposition and Bush won re-election by a percent or less.   You cannot have a more equally divided government on a percentage basis than the USA has today.  The Republican's have only the slimmest majority in both houses.

Please... continue to defend Adolph and your ridiculous argument.
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2005, 09:55:41 AM »
[obvious]The mistake was to bring the world against them[\obvious]

[Even more obvious]If one steals the food of a happy gorilla, one is not immediely harmed.  But it would be a mistake to do so.[/Even more obvious]
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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2005, 09:56:37 AM »
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Illegal how? And according to whom? I've as of yet to anything saying that the United States, after resuming hostilities from the 1st gulf war due to non-compliance of the UN mandate, acted illegally. Actually, the U.S.'s actions were 100% legit per. the U.N. resolutions.

SHOW me where it was illegal. It was simply a continuation of the 1st gulf war. We waited 10yrs for Iraq to comply, they didn't, and we went in and changed the regime. Just because there was a 10yr gap, there was never a cessation of THAT war. We just put it on hold, showing mercy after slaughtering them in the 1st gulf war.

Also, Fascism, hmmm... I'm not quite sure you understand that word and it's meaning. Let me help you a bit here.


A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Let’s ponder this shall we?

Is the U.S govt. centralized under a dictator? Uhh.. hmmm.. nope.
Is the U.S. practicing stringent socioeconomic controls? Nope there as well.
Do we surpress opposition through terror and censorship? No again.
Ok G.S. last chance, does the U.S. practice a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism? Durn, not true there either.

Well, appears you don't understand the meaning of the word.

Sorry you’re ignorant.

Hope I helped.

(p.s. you really look like a total moron w/ the "supporting Hitler" thing. Makes you look even worse than you NORMALLY do (I know, I know, hard to believe) Hitler invaded countries with the intention of keeping them. The U.S. doesn't WANT Iraq. Not going to be our 51st state or anything. Sorry you are soooo clueless re: the whole "how the world works" thing. Go hug a tree. You might feel better.  Actually, better yet, go take a class at a University, you obviously need so help w/ the ole' brain matter)
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2005, 10:04:30 AM »
WMLute,

First off, well done. :aok

Secondly, your perception of gscholz is in actuality not a perception but reality. Again,:aok
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2005, 10:16:19 AM »
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When they attacked Poland, wasn't Poland fighting them? Then as I recall, France and Britian both declared war...  So until the fall of France opposing him was France, the UK, the Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Norway...

Seems to me that when the decision was made to invade Poland, Hitler forced several nations to oppose him, and in his plans was the USSR and the USA, so the literary use of the word 'world' is appropriate.

Go on... defend Hitler some more
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2005, 10:16:40 AM »
What is the legal basis for the UN to maintain soveriegnty over participatory nations?

What is the legal basis of kofi anan's statement that the Iraq conflict is "illegal" and what is the basis of his authority to do so?
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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2005, 10:25:22 AM »
Please specify the article in the charter that delinieates the signatory nation has surrendered it's soveriegnty to the UN and is now subject to the whims of that organization?

AFAIK the US Government as the elected representatives of the citizens of said country has the sole authority to declare war against another nation beligerant to the US or not.
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