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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2005, 11:33:40 AM »
Based on K/D ratios and proven combat performance (as opposed to speculation) I think the list would be a mite different... the 109, F6F and F4U would prolly pop up somewhere on the list, the pony would drop to the bottom.

As a moot point it would be interesting to see how a pair of F-22's would fare against a pair of Eurofruits or even better; a pair of Froggy operated Ralphies. Then just to validate the ralphie results, give it a try with non-stinky competent euro pilots in it.

Oh, well; all idle speculation till the next war...
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« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2005, 06:10:12 PM »
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The F-4 is another oddity on the list. The only thing remarkable about it was that it was used by all branches of the U.S. millitary. It did everything OK, but nothing great. It's weapons system was innadequate given the poor reliability of the missiles in high temperature/hummidity environments at the time and the fact that it didn't have a canon. Hell... I'd rank the A-4 skyraider above the F-4.



just OK????

The F4 was a beast at minmum.  In 'Nam the F4 was used by the first ace of the war and tangled with the best of the north quite well.  It saw service for quite a long time with it's last varient the "weasle" F4G iirc.

Lots of kills in this plane and lots of different roles this air craft performed.  To say it was just OK was an understatment.  I hardly think we'd use an "OK" air craft for almost 40 years.

I don't agree with the 22 being on their either.  Although it may be in production it is still under development and is NOT a combat proven air craft.

The list is pretty dumb...they might as well through the F5 on their.  It's probably got more "simulated" kills than any of them.
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« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2005, 06:12:45 PM »
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10 Me 109E-4
9   Me 109F-4
8   Me 109T
7   Me 109 G-2
6   Fw 190A-2
5   Fw 190A-4
4   Fw 190A-5
3   Me 109G6
2   Me 109G-10
1   Fw 190A-8


There's one thing that is marjoly flawed with your list.  The country that owned them LOST the war!
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« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2005, 10:07:09 PM »
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Actually, they were placed back into new builds in 1967. How much of those made it to Vietnam?

ROE was not the only problem with missiles. There was way too high of a percentage of missiles not firing at all, but simply dropping from the aircraft.  Every plane has trouble surviving a high threat environment. Given that, I'd take small and agile any day over the F4. If I look at the vietnam war, I see the F4 as a bit of a primaidonna. It gets the praise, but the real work was done by the likes of the A6,A7, A4, B-52, A-1 and virtually every other fighter. It was supposed to do the work of all those planes, but it didn't do any specific task better than a role aircraft. It's forte was versatillity. The only thing I think it excelled in during vietnam was wild-weasel opperations. In everything else it was serviceable.

That's just my oppinion of the plane. It basically gets the curse of the 70's thrown on it. It wasn't bad when compared to the new planes being offered during that time. It wasn't until after 75 that the Air Force and Navy started to realize what they needed when it came to jet fighters.


    Ahh, now it becomes clear.  The F-4 was not designed to
supplant any of the aircraft you mentioned.  The Phantom was
the jet age equivalent of the P-47.  It was big, fast, was a great
bomb truck and could take an enormous amount of punishment.
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« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2005, 10:17:28 PM »
No one mentioned the F-14?

It was fast,pretty manueverable, carried quite a few missiles, and was in Top Gun.

Coming up on the last year of the F-14..the last few squadrons(all here at NAS Oceana) are beginning their transition to that sorry POS the "Super" Hornet..by the end of next year it will be no more.

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« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2005, 11:47:38 PM »
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Based on K/D ratios and proven combat performance (as opposed to speculation) I think the list would be a mite different... the 109, F6F and F4U would prolly pop up somewhere on the list, the pony would drop to the bottom.

As a moot point it would be interesting to see how a pair of F-22's would fare against a pair of Eurofruits or even better; a pair of Froggy operated Ralphies. Then just to validate the ralphie results, give it a try with non-stinky competent euro pilots in it.

Oh, well; all idle speculation till the next war...


i'd wager the next war will not pit F-22s against Corsairs.  I believe the P-61 has the best kill ratio for WW2 fighters
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« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2005, 12:30:17 AM »
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« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2005, 01:03:03 AM »
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Ahh, now it becomes clear.  The F-4 was not designed to
supplant any of the aircraft you mentioned.  The Phantom was
the jet age equivalent of the P-47.  It was big, fast, was a great
bomb truck and could take an enormous amount of punishment.
But what distinguished it as a fighter?

It excelled in wild-weasel opperations for one very specific reason: the key component to wild-weasel is getting the enemy to turn on their radars and shoot at you. The F4 was very good at getting shot at.

And... it was "intended" to replace those planes. It was simply discovered quite quickly that wasn't going to happen. Just like the F-16 was supposed to kick out the likes of the A-10... or the F/A-18 is supposed to kick out everything the navy has. Hell... the F4 was supposed to kick every other fighter out of every branch of the military. Hehehe... we could even take the discussion to the next level with the F-111 and what it was supposed to do.
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« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2005, 02:00:26 AM »
WMLute the information released to the public is correct. The Raptors in that engagement hammered the F-15s. They didn't even know where the F/A-22s were until they were locked and dead. There are other things to consider but I can't really talk about them.

I can imagine what your saying at that is the whole point of developing the Raptor. Also about those rolling weapon releases they are extremely impressive. I've seen a few more videos of the weapons release testing being done. Needless to say they make the F-15s weapons releases look like childs play.
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« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2005, 05:38:09 AM »
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I believe the P-61 has the best kill ratio for WW2 fighters


I believe the Brewster model 239, the export model of the F2A-1, has the best kill ratio and also highest scoring single airframe.
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« Reply #85 on: May 02, 2005, 05:49:41 AM »
I just won 5€ !

I was pretty sure there was at least one finn to speak of the Brewster :D
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« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2005, 06:09:09 AM »
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I just won 5€ !

I was pretty sure there was at least one finn to speak of the Brewster :D


Whisper to Straffo: “Ok, I did my part. Now pay”:p
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« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2005, 06:20:38 AM »
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As a moot point it would be interesting to see how a pair of F-22's would fare against a pair of Eurofruits or even better; a pair of Froggy operated Ralphies. Then just to validate the ralphie results, give it a try with non-stinky competent euro pilots in it.

Oh, well; all idle speculation till the next war...


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« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2005, 08:05:08 AM »
What?? I can't troll either?

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« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2005, 08:08:20 AM »
What ? my skin is now pretty thick I didn't even notice your post :D
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