Author Topic: Flying the P-38 by Elliot Dent (Read 3019 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 03, 2005, 03:34:23 PM »

Only photo I could find of Elliot Dent. He's on the right. He's standing with his ground crew and his 7thFS, 49th FG P40N prior to their conversion to P38s.

Dan/CorkyJr

Widewing · « **Reply #31 on:** May 03, 2005, 05:19:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Only photo I could find of Elliot Dent. He's on the right. He's standing with his ground crew and his 7thFS, 49th FG P40N prior to their conversion to P38s.

Dan/CorkyJr

I have that same photo in Bill Pascalis' Protect and Avenge: The 49th FG in WWII.

You may know that Bill died a few years ago from cancer. He was an exceptionally nice guy, who gave freely of his time to help researchers. Even when he was very sick, he loved to gets calls just to talk shop. Great guy, and I miss him.

My regards,

Widewing

Guppy35 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 03, 2005, 05:25:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
I have that same photo in Bill Pascalis' Protect and Avenge: The 49th FG in WWII.

You may know that Bill died a few years ago from cancer. He was an exceptionally nice guy, who gave freely of his time to help researchers. Even when he was very sick, he loved to gets calls just to talk shop. Great guy, and I miss him.

My regards,

Widewing

That's where I found the photo. Sorry to hear about Mr. Pascalis

I was not aware of that..

Only one complaint about the book. If they used the phrase "old stager" one more time I think I'd have gone off the bridge

Dan/CorkyJr

bunch · « **Reply #33 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:09:56 AM »

going back a bit...late winter in 1944 would have been before july
I like twin booms so:
dont forget the 109z (prototype only, destroyed on the ground, dont know if it flew)

FW-189 (not a fighter)

worth a thousand words at least, great photo

...there was at least one twin boom of the 1st world war also (not a scout also)...

SM 91 prototype twin boom fighter

, but the italians did better with the P-38

AmRaaM · « **Reply #34 on:** May 04, 2005, 08:25:55 PM »

If #'s worked then they wouldnt need test pilots.....obviously they dont.

Seeker · « **Reply #35 on:** May 05, 2005, 03:21:32 AM »

There was also a twin boom Spit; ala 109Z.

I think it was Funked that posted pics.

SunTracker · « **Reply #36 on:** May 05, 2005, 03:54:05 AM »

Lets not forget the P-38 reached compressible speed very quickly at high altitudes.

bunch · « **Reply #37 on:** May 05, 2005, 04:02:13 AM »

USAAF lifting body twin boom, used by General DeGaulle...long booms great for transporting baguetts

agent 009 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 05, 2005, 03:53:24 PM »

Got this from Stan, who flew 38 in ETO.

A cloverleaf was simple maneuver to improve the turning radius of a fighter. Pull the nose up to bleed of speed which allows a tighter turning radius. Drip the nose to pick up speed, and hopefully, the tighter turning radius has improved your position behind your opponent. Continue this maneuver, as needed, until you've shot the bastard from the sky. If you were able to trail smoke, the maneuver would appear as a cloverleaf in the sky. This was a common tactic used by P-38 drivers, and it was quite effective.

stan r

Angus · « **Reply #39 on:** May 05, 2005, 04:11:24 PM »

The shape of the circle will then be oval?
And there is quite some verical movement.
Spit drivers would use another variant, - they were climbing all the time, so it was an upwards corkscrew.
Johnny Johnsson once fought a bunch of 109's that way, - he corkscrewed thousands of feet upwards with the 109's stalling out behind him. When at 19000 feet his second stage supercharger jumped in, so he left the party there.

Virage · « **Reply #40 on:** May 05, 2005, 07:10:36 PM »

Don't tell 38 drivers their beloved super secret 'clover leaf' was just a hi yo-yo before someone called it a 'yo-yo'.

Widewing · « **Reply #41 on:** May 05, 2005, 07:14:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Virage
Don't tell 38 drivers their beloved super secret 'clover leaf' was just a hi yo-yo before someone called it a 'yo-yo'.

It's not a high yo-yo...Watch this film, near the end you will see the "clover leaf" and why it works.

P-38G vs Spitfire MK.V

My regards,

Widewing

agent 009 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:05:36 PM »

190 pilots also used the spiral climb.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #43 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:53:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Virage
Don't tell 38 drivers their beloved super secret 'clover leaf' was just a hi yo-yo before someone called it a 'yo-yo'.

Nope, the Yo-Yo was already created before the start of WW2. It was created by a Chinese pilot of the Nationalist Chinese Air Force in the early '30s. He came up with the Yo-Yo to counter the superior Japanese planes he was fighting at the time.

ack-ack

SunTracker · « **Reply #44 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:54:15 PM »

Why do pilots black out at 6Gs in Aces High when pilots today can withstand 9Gs without G-suits on?