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Offline buzkill

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2005, 10:54:16 PM »
because you just don't know?
ya the edges of my wings are "stairstepped" a little. the lighting is right and after playin this game for 6 years it looks alot better than it did. no AA noAF in my video card settings, then go full quality in game. i do that for all games; it's what i'm used to.
o and it's a sapphire 9600xt
as advertised 500mhz core; 650 mhz mem. (never seen it run that fast, but close)
and it's $105 now......bang for the buck was my only point all along

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2005, 10:58:08 PM »
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Originally posted by buzkill
because you just don't know?
ya the edges of my wings are "stairstepped" a little. the lighting is right and after playin this game for 6 years it looks alot better than it did. no AA noAF in my video card settings, then go full quality in game. i do that for all games; it's what i'm used to.
o and it's a sapphire 9600xt
as advertised 500mhz core; 650 mhz mem. (never seen it run that fast, but close)
and it's $105 now......bang for the buck was my only point all along


"because you just dont know?" lol, thats laughable maybe you should try it.....no AF or AA is horrible. I dunno how anyone with 20/20 vision can except not using it. but each to there own

9600xt was bang for $$$ 2 years ago. Now i think you find its the 6800/6800gt or X800XL
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2005, 11:03:36 PM »
i got an x800 pro in the works
ive already tested one a friend owns and it took my 3dmark3 benches from 3900 points all the way to 10,472 with all default settings. just didn't try AH with it.
and i never wanted to piss you off, just givin' my 2 cents
and i gotta look into the nvidia cards again....hear alot of good things
« Last Edit: April 30, 2005, 11:09:15 PM by buzkill »

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2005, 09:02:00 AM »
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i got an x800 pro in the works
ive already tested one a friend owns and it took my 3dmark3 benches from 3900 points all the way to 10,472 with all default settings. just didn't try AH with it.
and i never wanted to piss you off, just givin' my 2 cents
and i gotta look into the nvidia cards again....hear alot of good things


try AHII with what?

a 9800xt is slower than a 9700pro and wont do it at full quality

hell i can run farcry/doom3/HL2/AHII at full quality at 640x480x16 but why would i want to do that?

looks much better at 1280x1024 @ med quality
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2005, 05:36:03 PM »
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isnt the 6600gt a ENTRY level card?


?   he asked for best bang for the buck .... id say thats a fair statement. so what if its an entry level card , he said it was a temporary system.


a 9800xt is slower than a 9700pro and wont do it at full quality

???? im not so sure id agree with that . lol


also skuzzy said AF has no use in this game ......from skuzzy


It is not used by AH. The effect it has is really best witnessed in long corridors or in tunnels.

Enabling it causes a performance hit for the video card, and in AH will blur all the text.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2005, 06:12:54 PM by 38ruk »

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2005, 06:03:13 AM »
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?   he asked for best bang for the buck .... id say thats a fair statement. so what if its an entry level card , he said it was a temporary system.


a 9800xt is slower than a 9700pro and wont do it at full quality

 


best bang for buck is probably the 6800 standard, or Ati's X800XL

he said a 9600xt which is alot slower than a 9700pro

9800xt is the fastest of the R3x0 cores

AF has no use in this game? well im sorry but with it off it looks ugly. x2 improves things by ALONG way. x16 is even better but its impossible since 2.03
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2005, 11:26:58 AM »
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try AHII with what?

a 9800xt is slower than a 9700pro and wont do it at full quality

hell i can run farcry/doom3/HL2/AHII at full quality at 640x480x16 but why would i want to do that?

looks much better at 1280x1024 @ med quality



i was just quoting your post , it must have been a typo, yes the xt is the fastest 3xx core i am aware of that , ive seen 6600gts for as low as $170 us , the 6800nu i bought was $270 us at the time , im not sure what you can get them for now , 230, 240?. if its a temp system i would prolly throw a 6600gt in it and save some cash. just my 2 cents . ...... 38

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AF has no use in this game? well im sorry but with it off it looks ugly. x2 improves things by ALONG way. x16 is even better but its impossible since 2.03


those are skuzzys words in my post , if he says AH2 doesnt use AF i have to take his word for it , personally ive tried it and only noticed blurry text .....
« Last Edit: May 02, 2005, 11:29:55 AM by 38ruk »

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2005, 11:44:19 AM »
Wow.  Drama.

6600 GT seems to be getting a few nods from friends as well.

Im hunting around Newegg.  Looks like some decent MSI ones for $150-$200

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2005, 08:08:22 PM »
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i was just quoting your post , it must have been a typo, yes the xt is the fastest 3xx core i am aware of that , ive seen 6600gts for as low as $170 us , the 6800nu i bought was $270 us at the time , im not sure what you can get them for now , 230, 240?. if its a temp system i would prolly throw a 6600gt in it and save some cash. just my 2 cents . ...... 38

 

those are skuzzys words in my post , if he says AH2 doesnt use AF i have to take his word for it , personally ive tried it and only noticed blurry text .....


oops, didnt notice my mistype there :rolleyes:  sorry :)
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2005, 01:41:38 PM »
Whether AF does nothing for AH is a debatable point.  AH doesnt make use of it, so it should do absolutely nothing.  Any improvements are most likely placebo effect.  But if the user feels its making an improvement, its up to them.  However, more importantly is the warning that AF uses resources that could better be put to use rendering and can potentially cause serious gameplay issues with AH.  And yes, it makes the text blurry.

As for the video card debate, 6600GT is the minimum Nvidia type card you should go with for AH.  Prices are low enough on it that buying an older FX 5xxx series card like my 5900 is just silly, given all the shader problems those cards have in AH.  If you DO buy a 5xxx series card, go with the 5900 or 5950.  The others all have half the memory bandwidth and may or may not have used dubious parts to save money.  If you go ATI, at the minimum I'd suggest a 9800 series card, the prices should be low enough that dropping down to a 9600 or 9700 should be negligible in price difference.  

The above is merely my opinion, on the cards.  If its temporary, buy whatever works for you money-wise.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2005, 02:56:57 PM »
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Whether AF does nothing for AH is a debatable point.  AH doesnt make use of it, so it should do absolutely nothing.  Any improvements are most likely placebo effect.  But if the user feels its making an improvement, its up to them.  However, more importantly is the warning that AF uses resources that could better be put to use rendering and can potentially cause serious gameplay issues with AH.  And yes, it makes the text blurry.

As for the video card debate, 6600GT is the minimum Nvidia type card you should go with for AH.  Prices are low enough on it that buying an older FX 5xxx series card like my 5900 is just silly, given all the shader problems those cards have in AH.  If you DO buy a 5xxx series card, go with the 5900 or 5950.  The others all have half the memory bandwidth and may or may not have used dubious parts to save money.  If you go ATI, at the minimum I'd suggest a 9800 series card, the prices should be low enough that dropping down to a 9600 or 9700 should be negligible in price difference.  

The above is merely my opinion, on the cards.  If its temporary, buy whatever works for you money-wise.


with AF off on *MY* ATI powered system, the ground textures look S*** and "shimmer" in the distance (which i cant show in screenshots) its kinda like "noise" you get on old analogy tvs. With AF on, it stops that (even at x2) and at x16 all the textures are much more clearer and nicer looking.

anyway, what skuzzy means is AH automaticaly runs at x0 unless you force it. hes never said it DOESNT work

3rd edit: doesnt make my text blury? infact with AF off the text looks terrible?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2005, 03:00:27 PM by Overlag »
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2005, 05:19:28 PM »
All I can say is that my experience is with Nvidia only in AH.  Perhaps the ATI is different?  My machine wont even run AH if I turn on AF.  Set to Application Pref. or Off, it runs fine.  That has been true with an MX 440, MX 4000, FX 5700 and FX 5900.  On the MX 440 it would run, but caused artifacts and problems with contrast on terrains.  The FX series cards it causes the launcher to hang and the game never starts.  The computer runs like it was dipped in molasses (although with patience I can usually effect a ctrl+alt+del shutdown of AH).  

Since it does seem to work for you in a positive way, thats great.  I certainly dont mind being proven wrong, my wife has trained me to accept it as a fact of life :)  I'd still like to know why it helps you, just to satisfy my own curiousity.