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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2005, 11:33:39 PM »
Snot will hold it together.

or bird ****.

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2005, 11:37:30 PM »
shells are from the ocean not from the land/water..


:confused:  :rolleyes:  :aok

Good luck and love to see the final prodfuct..

Ok the above typo was too funny to fix..
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2005, 11:48:57 PM »
What type of plants do you have in your area.

Sap from trees can make a dandy glue.
And if you have pinetrees around its even easier.

course if your near the ocean you can get a dead seagull make a lanscape with sand stick the seagull upside down with its head buried in the sand and name it "Sand Dart" :)
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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2005, 01:35:13 AM »
Salt statues:



http://boojum.hut.fi/~rhannine/Krakova2002/index_2.html

Some peeps I know do little salt statues to put on their xmass trees, they use hairspray to fix those. What size is your project?
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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2005, 02:13:55 AM »
those are very beautiful saintaw.

i live on the emerald coast.  the beached here are made of of white quartzite that is very fine in some places.  (your feet squeak in it when you walk through it dry)

it is to be life sized.

a self portrait of sorts.
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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2005, 02:21:03 AM »
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Originally posted by JB88

it is to be life sized.

a self portrait of sorts.


You making a poop? :p

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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2005, 02:27:14 AM »
i am beginning to learn 3d modelling so that so that i can begin to visualize the entire work before trying to build it with such fragile materials.

(i have a loooooong way to go on that i know)

it is an incomplete image at this point and does not include the other elements which will activate it.

(note: the green is going to be glass)

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2005, 02:47:42 AM »
needs stevie wonder glasses.  

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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2005, 09:06:14 AM »
Well, if there is rice in the area... or if you are allowed to use milk from cows you can make one extremely potent 'glue' from either.


Cook rice sushi style and while its hot apply it as if it was glue. Then take a high powered fan or better yet some liquid nitrogen and quick-cool it. The stuff is like superglue and im not kidding.

Milk can also become a bonding agent... you let a big pot of milk just sit there until it almost turns into yogurt, you then collect the milk-fat that coagulates on top (i dont know how its called in english sry) and put it on a pan and heat it up adding a small amount of vinegar or lemon juice.

Keep stirring it over and over and over until the thing is nothing but a sticky glue.

(they used this technique in history channel too... the guy that builds and tests medieval weapons had a special that showed how shields were made. They made glue in a similar way to this but using goat milk).

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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2005, 09:36:06 AM »
Not a chemist, but perusing some websites yielded some information.  It seems if you could manufacture sodium silicate and fill a form with it to make a core, then expose it to carbon dioxide (this binds it to a solid) you may have a somewhat solid sculptural product.  This is how cannon barrels are made btw, very interesting.  If the parameters of your project disclude using armatures, then any wires and supporting rods can be removed (hopefully) after you are done.

Sodium hydroxide heated under pressure with silicon dioxide (sand) will produce sodium silicate.

2NaOH + SiO2 ==> Na2SiO3 + H2O

Sodium hydroxide is made by electrolyzing aqueous solutions of sodium chloride in chlor-alkali membrane cells. Hydrogen and chlorine gas form at the electrodes.  Both these gases are dangerous and must be collected or vented away.  Here's a website showing how sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) is made.


Chlor-alkali membrane cells


As you can see, this is no backyard project, but is (theoretically) possible to do using the materials described.  It would be of industrial scale and require expensive equipment and loads of time to account for setbacks, i.e. it may be viable for smaller sculptures (if it works at all), but may not work for larger objects, so much testing would have to be done.

I would not consider it unless the project is part of a R and D team effort with adequate financial underwriting and laboratory resources.  Even with access to these things, it would be dangerous and complicated imo.  

If the project is a conceptual art project, I would be very interested hearing how you deal with the problem using only sand and sea water and nothing else.  I have a friend who is a sculptor, and I will ask him about this.  Will let you know what he says.  It may be he knows something about doing this an easier way, but I don't think he has done it before.






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