Religious question for Christians

[Roscoroo]

ok who brought the sacrifice ??

Ive got the "Alter of BBQ" all setup

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by NUKE
The 10 commandments were for Isreal, the old law.

God sent Jesus to die for our sins and abolished the old law. You can go to heaven if you accept Jesus as your savior. Jesus died for the sins of man, and we are forgiven if we accept Jesus. All of us sin, yet Jesus will forgive us. And no sin is any worse or less in God's eyes.

If the 10 Commandments are no longer valid for true belivers of Christ then please do tell why the born again evangelical  christians are so up in arms about the 10 commandments being removed from schools, courts and other public instituitions of power and influence in societty?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If the 10 Commandments are no longer valid for true belivers of Christ then please do tell why the born again evangelical  christians are so up in arms about the 10 commandments being removed from schools, courts and other public instituitions of power and influence in societty?

I can't tell you.

Can you tell me why catholics worship the virgin Mary, rub rosary beads, chant "hail Mary's, elect a "holy father" and confess their sins to men?

[GRUNHERZ]

But they are all going to hell for doing so in violation of the Bible, right? Just like the evil catholics?

[Tumor]

NO

When your God... you can do WTF you want.

Smiting those who don't like it is an option.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But they are all going to hell for doing so in violation of the Bible, right? Just like the evil catholics?

Anyone who does not accept Jesus as their savior is going to hell.

Can you answer even one of my questions from my original post?

[Heiliger]

Originally posted by GREENTENERAL
Yes, that is also in the bible.  So now it becomes a question of wheather the 2 points of contradiction are congruent with Christ's spiritual philosophy.  If what Christ said is true, then the other is a negation, but if the other is true, Christs philosophy becomes mute, which leads me to think that there has been alot of major mistranslations in the bible that may or may not have been for the intention of control...

No it becomes a question of whether you are reading what you want to see or what is actually there.

What I don't recall is the part where the Sumeritan burns in hell for not accepting some doctrine that was not part of his religion.

...and I don't recall the part where he is commended for his lack of Faith or his rejection of God the Son.

What I do recall is:

"6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." (John 14)

"8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." (Ephesians 2)


If you are concerned with translation issues, here is an online bible that allows you to read Greek and Hebrew:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/

and a couple Lexicons:

http://www.studylight.org/lex/

and more free downloadable resources:

http://www.e-sword.net/

[myelo]

Originally posted by NUKE
Anyone who does not accept Jesus as their savior is going to hell.

Does that include 6-month-old babies?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Try better bait next time.

Karaya

Why?

He is doing well i think.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by myelo
Does that include 6-month-old babies?

I dont think so.. Nuke is still here.

[BlkKnit]

I recall reading somewhere that the King James version is acually one of the finest translations of the original available.  I harboured my own doubts about its accurracy for quite a while, but now my doubts have doubts.

personally, I dont think any version of christianity has to justify itself to any of the others.

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by Heiliger
No it becomes a question of whether you are reading what you want to see or what is actually there.



...and I don't recall the part where he is commended for his lack of Faith or his rejection of God the Son.

What I do recall is:

"6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." (John 14)

"8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." (Ephesians 2)


If you are concerned with translation issues, here is an online bible that allows you to read Greek and Hebrew:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/

and a couple Lexicons:

http://www.studylight.org/lex/

and more free downloadable resources:

http://www.e-sword.net/

I guess that depends upon what you think a man is.  Is it the aknowledgement of his existence, or is it something more?  When Christ says "through me" what does that mean to you? Does that mean that he is like a bouncer at a club, with an eye for who gets in and who does not, or does it mean that we must do our best to understand him, what he is, the core of his ways, his philosophy, and try to acheive this, to aspire? If you know what I am about, you know me, all that counts anyways.

Does the core philosophy have its own merit, without the promise of reward?  I myself do not seek reward.  If heaven did not exist, would you fall off the wagon? If god was a myth, would these principles be relevent?  If there were no brownie points counted, would they be worth collecting?  I have a feeling that if we were born in another land, we would be raised in the philosophy and religion of that land.  We would honor our family, and glean the best from it, like all good Christians.  The fanatics of the world all beleive that they are the chosen ones.  This is the way all over the world, under the premise of reward and their will to power.

If someone does what you do, believes in the principles that you do, holds sacred what you do, how do you know that you are not worshiping the same god?

There are people in this world that are thankful for things that I cannot even see yet, and closer to perfection than I will ever understand. Not all of them call themselves Christians.  If there is a hell for them, then burning in hell would be an honor.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Vulcan
OK heres one for you:

Assuming there is a god, a christian one at that, should he live by his own principles/commands set down in the 10 commandments?

If so, how does his actions during the great flood and the smiting of sodom and the  one I can't spell reflect on this? Would Mary count as being a "coveted wife"?

I'm interested to hear the christian view on this.

Why ask or even worry with this if you don't believe in the 1st place.

[Ghosth]

Guess Again BlkKnt.

Go back to when Emperor Constatine first put all the varies Gospels, testements, etc together.

He left out more than he put in.


As to whats left, there is one thing you must keep in mind when dealing with the Bible.

It is nothing more and nothing less than a hiistory of mankinds belief in (a) God.
All the way from Genisis to Revelations, it was an oral tradition passed on by man.  Written by man, edited by man, again, and again, and again.

Not to mention the many times its been translated from the original languages it was written in. Into greek, latin and eventually english. Losing who knows how much each time in the process.

As for nuke's claims, since this is all a matter of "belief" and "Faith" I'll choose to live by this one.

"In my Fathers house are many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you"

Take your "Believe as I say or go to hell"  print it out, fold it till its all corners, and stick it, well you know where now don't you.  

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Not only has the bible been translated Ghost, it's also been interpreted to fit into each new language per the translators interpretation.

There is no accurate version other than the original.

If someone were to wish to read the real bible and know what it really says, they need to know hebrew - even then there are scholars that read that and interpret it how they see fit.
-SW