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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2005, 06:11:51 PM »
what we need to do is get rid of thise whole electoral votes system and just go by states.
Forget this nonsence of Fla being worth 27 votes ad North Dakota being worth 3
Just go by states then each state becomes equally important. And not just the most populated states

Just so we dont have a tie we can treat Washington DC as a state or make Puerto Rico a state,( which is long overdue).
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2005, 06:54:27 PM »
Al Gore, on the Electoral College.


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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2005, 07:03:58 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
what we need to do is get rid of thise whole electoral votes system and just go by states.
Forget this nonsence of Fla being worth 27 votes ad North Dakota being worth 3
Just go by states then each state becomes equally important. And not just the most populated states

Just so we dont have a tie we can treat Washington DC as a state or make Puerto Rico a state,( which is long overdue).


wouldnt that take away from the millions of people that live in heavily populated states?  Wouldnt that be the same as the senate electing the president?

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2005, 09:58:40 PM »
In Russia, bathhroon go to YOU!

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2005, 12:03:12 AM »
PR a state? isn't that NY?

a state of what?? lol
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2005, 12:42:35 AM »
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wouldnt that take away from the millions of people that live in heavily populated states?  Wouldnt that be the same as the senate electing the president?


No the people vote in the state just as they do now. depending on how the people of that state vote goes thats how the vote goes for that state.
As it stands now it takes away from the people in less populated states making that states vote less important.

Each state should be equally as important as the next.
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2005, 01:52:52 AM »
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Boroda, put down the vodka and join in.


Didn't you know they did the old soviet style cleanup in Moscow for the celebrations again?

Boroda was probably hauled away with the rest of them. :D

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2005, 03:40:53 AM »
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The Electoral college is just as important today as it was when it was enacted.


Why would you say this?  The majority should rule.

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Each state should be equally as important as the next.


People should be equally important, not states.  Alaska should not have the same voting power as Florida.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2005, 06:02:35 AM »
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Didn't you know they did the old soviet style cleanup in Moscow for the celebrations again?

Boroda was probably hauled away with the rest of them. :D


Hm. I don't remember the last time I was checked by militia in the street. I don't look like a terrorist, more like a hippyish Orthodox priest :p

About cleanup: I see less bums now, militia warriors with full equipment including gas masks on every corner (I wonder what will happen if they'll put them on, probably the biggest panic since October 16th 1941).

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2005, 07:12:03 AM »
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United States is a Republic.


What does that mean for you ?

Islamic republic of Iran is also republic and president is elected by people, not electors.

What do you mean by that ?

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2005, 07:18:16 AM »
The United States is a Democratic Republic.

Not to be confused with a pure democracy.

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2005, 07:20:40 AM »
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Why would you say this?  The majority should rule.

People should be equally important, not states.  Alaska should not have the same voting power as Florida.


The United States is NOT a democracy.

Alexander Hamilton, in Senate: "It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny: their figure deformity."

James Madison said: "...democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

John Adams, in a letter to John Taylor, wrote: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

Thomas Jefferson, in the drafts of the Kentucky Resolutions, wrote: "In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

Alexander Hamilton, June 26, 1788, stated: "There are few positions more demonstrable than that there should be in every republic some permanent body to correct the prejudices, check the intemperate passions, and regulate the fluctuations of a popular assembly."

Alexander Hamilton, also in 1788: "It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of society against the injustice of the other part."

George Washington, April 30, 1789: "The...destiny of the republican model of government (is) justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally stacked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people."

Lastly, from the 1928 U.S. Army training manual:

"Democracy: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any form of ‘direct' expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude towards laws is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice or impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

There's a very good reason for the electoral college and it's there because the Founders knew it was necessary to, in the words of Hamilton,

" to guard one part of society against the injustice of the other part."
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2005, 07:23:23 AM »
Well, Novgorod Republic existed almost 1000 years before USA.

I wonder why our new-fangled patriotic democratic power doesn't use a slogan of 1000-years old Russian democratic tradition :D

Many people even here seriously believe that democracy was invented by George Washington...

As for me - I don't think that democracy is a basic value. I don't care. I pity people who irrationally religiously worship "democracy".

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2005, 07:25:21 AM »
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A republic with strong democratic traditions.


I would say "country with stong offensive millitary tradition".

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2005, 07:26:07 AM »
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The United States is a Democratic Republic.

Not to be confused with a pure democracy.

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"Democratic Republic" sounds like "antropophagic cannibal". Two words meaning the same thing in different languages.