More evidence that sexuality is biological

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Airhead
however, I have a tough time dictating standards of behavior followed by consenting adults in the privacy of thier own homes.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Originally posted by straffo
seeing your avatar Laz I find funny your participation in this thread

That's a she-sheep:p

[wrag]

Originally posted by DieAz
you gotta be kidding me.  
next you gonna say, they haven't figured out what gravity is??
 if so....      

and    etc.

If you know otherwise please list it here........

They know about some hormones but are still in the dark as to what exaclty they do.   Or how they do it.

They can to a degree duplicate the hormone but still do not fully understand the how.

[SOB]

DEM GAYS IS AN ABOMINATION AND THEY IS GOING TO HELL!!!  AND SO IS CHAIRBOY FOR READING REASEARCH ABOUT THE GAY!

[Chairboy]

You've brought up some good points, SOB.

[Siaf__csf]

next you gonna say, they haven't figured out what gravity is??

Actually science hasn't been able to explain the gravital force yet.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Actually science hasn't been able to explain the gravital force yet.

He's right.  Best we can do so far is "makes stuff fall down."

Of course it looks much more impressive with all the mathematical equations and such.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by cpxxx
I simply cannot understand how anyone can think it's possible to choose to be gay. Or that your first experience can dictate your sexuality. Or the way your Mother brought you up.

So in my opinion anyone who believes you can choose to be gay, must do so because at some point in their life they faced that choice and decided not to be gay.

   Therefore those of you who believe being gay is a choice must be gay themselves but have chosen not to exercise that option. They then pretend to themselves and the world and their wives that they are straight and even cultivate a sort of homophobia.

In my opinion most homophobes and those who declare themselves disgusted by gay sex are in fact in denial about their own sexuality.

You can read through this thread and decide who is gay and who is not. It's nature not nurture.

And I am of the belief that anyone who reacts so strongly and attacks others with such vehemence on the subject must himself be dealing with repressed issues.  Just because YOU believe nature decides it, from your experience, does not make it so.  Science has yet to explain many things we take for granted.  I would tend to agree that there probably is a biological factor involved, perhaps even the major determining factor.  However, I do not presume to dictate to others that because they do not believe the same as I, that they must themselves be so affected and repressing it.

In other words, cool your jets.  People attacking other people for not buying into their personal beliefs on this subject is what makes it still such a touchy thing today, even though we have been dealing with it as a species for thousands of years.  There's no need for personal attacks that make an uncomfortable subject even more so.

[Chairboy]

Agreed.

While I personally think this is a biological issue, I respect that others have opinions that differ.  The only time I really get distressed about things like this is when I feel that the person I'm disagreeing with chooses to disagree not on the merits of the evidence, but instead because they've already made up their minds.

If someone posts "This research is flawed because" (so far, I'm cool, I'm listening, but then they continue with) " scientists occasionally make mistakes, and it's obvious that, because I disagree with their assertion, they must logically be mistaken."  That's frustrating, because it's like the person isn't playing with the same rules the rest of us are.

I think the research is interesting, and I look forward to reading some scientific research that suggests otherwise.  While I have an opinion on how this works, I don't think either side has made a slam-dunk case yet.  

Whichever way the science goes, I'll follow, but I won't let dogma take over for the critical center of my brain.

[Suave]

Originally posted by Lizking
The bottom line is that being attracted to a person of the same gender is not deviant. /B]

Dude...

Were you trying to say what you just said?

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
And I am of the belief that anyone who reacts so strongly and attacks others with such vehemence on the subject must himself be dealing with repressed issues.  Just because YOU believe nature decides it, from your experience, does not make it so.  Science has yet to explain many things we take for granted.  I would tend to agree that there probably is a biological factor involved, perhaps even the major determining factor.  However, I do not presume to dictate to others that because they do not believe the same as I, that they must themselves be so affected and repressing it.

In other words, cool your jets.  People attacking other people for not buying into their personal beliefs on this subject is what makes it still such a touchy thing today, even though we have been dealing with it as a species for thousands of years.  There's no need for personal attacks that make an uncomfortable subject even more so.

Nice one Star accuse me of personal attacks by making one. Let me assure you, I have no 'repressed issues'. They are all out in the open LOL.That just being the point of message. In any case
I fail to see the personal attack I made. If anything I generalised.  Nor was there any vehemance or an attempt to dictate merely an expression of my opinion based on my expericence.  

I will admit a degree of mischievousness.

My point remains the same. It's extremely difficult for me to imagine how anyone could think being gay is a choice or a a matter of upbringing.  To me that is intuitively obvious.  I also think it's obvious to most people. Let's have a vote?
 Religious people don't like the biological idea because it implies that God created homosexuality and thus must be acceptable. The Catholic church got around that one years ago by saying being gay is Ok as long you didn't do any of that dirty stuff. Ironic that considering it's recent history.  The whole subject is riven with cant and hypocrisy.

My opinion remains the same. People who get all worked up about what other people get up to in the privacy of their own bed have definite issues of their own.

[Suave]

Well if by gay you mean homosexuality. Of course it's a choice All sexual activity is voluntary, unless you're raped. If you mean sexually attracted to the same sex, well that's different. Like I said, semantics. See above.

I'm of the opinion that much of human homosexuality is a result of biological abnormalities. These being the flamers, men who are women in all but body. We all know these, they couldn't fly below gaydar if they had professional acting coaches.

However there are also those who have developed into homosexuals from a result of developemental factors. Classically from a very deep dislike and distrust of the opposite sex usually stemming from.. surprise, surprise, sexual abuse at an early age. Think pink lesbians here.

So yes, homosexuality, like any other abnormal sexuality can be a result of developmental stressors.

[Silat]

If the radical right would just allow themselves out of the closet then we wouldnt have a problem with this subject.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Nice one Star accuse me of personal attacks by making one. Let me assure you, I have no 'repressed issues'. They are all out in the open LOL.

I do what I can.  

I will admit a degree of mischievousness.

Nothing wrong with that, and read in that light I have no problems with your post.  I simply misunderstood your position/mood/whatever.  My bad.  

My point remains the same. It's extremely difficult for me to imagine how anyone could think being gay is a choice or a a matter of upbringing.  To me that is intuitively obvious.  I also think it's obvious to most people.

Again, I'd tend to agree with that, but I refuse to make blanket statements about a condition I have never experienced (and hopefully never will).  Pure biology doesnt explain Bi-sexuals, and more than one lesbian woman was previously happily heterosexual until severe trauma gave her phobias regarding males that drive her to female companionship in order to fill bonding and/or sexual needs.  The answer lies somewhere in between I think, but how much of one or the other is impossible to pin down, at least at this time.  I'm not qualified to tell, thats for sure.

Religious people don't like the biological idea because it implies that God created homosexuality and thus must be acceptable. The Catholic church got around that one years ago by saying being gay is Ok as long you didn't do any of that dirty stuff. Ironic that considering it's recent history.  The whole subject is riven with cant and hypocrisy.

The church doesnt much like to believe anything that is outside their teachings is natural.  It causes those of us who believe to get headaches trying to figure it all out (at least those of us who care at all about the philosophy of it all).  Best I can do is fall back on "The Lord works in mysterious ways," and the fact that all of us are entitled to the same treatment and basic respect due all living things, regardless if we agree with their lifestyle or sexual orientation.  Whether or not homosexuals are an abberation is irrelevant to the subject of their immortal souls.  Catholics only recognize 2 unforgivable sins, I only recognize 1.  Being gay isnt on either one of our lists.

My opinion remains the same. People who get all worked up about what other people get up to in the privacy of their own bed have definite issues of their own.

On THAT, most assuredly we agree.  

An ye harm none, do as you will.  God is the only judge that matters, when its all said and done.

[bustr]

Lets just pray that if a meteor hits the planet that the only suvivors aren't the "Pink Pistols" and the "The Feminist Action League".....................

[StarOfAfrica2]

Never fear bustr, the roaches would survive too.